[pp.int.general] Sorting out communication (was Re: constituting pirate-property )

[Findeton]

Well, i think we should have some kind of formal system, with a board of
directors and some kind of formal 'parliament'. The board of directors would
DO things, they would the ones who would give press releases, and that board
of directors could be, for example, people appointed by the pirate party
that is selected (by that parliament) to be in charge. The parliament would
consist on a set of official liasons who would be the people responsible
from each pirate party to communicate the vote of each party on each issue.
So the 'parliament' decides and the board of directors obeys whenever an
official representation of the european/international pirate parties has to
do something. BTW i'd give the same weight to the votes of each pirate
party: whilst it's true that the differences on population can be great,
there can also be great differences between the importance of each pirate
party on each country: for example Sweden has around 9 million enfranchised
people and afaik Spain has aroun 31 million enfranchised people, but my bet
is that there are way more affiliates and support to the pp in Sweden then
in Spain. One could think on more refined ways to weight the vote of each
pirate party, but i think that equal weight of each pirate party's vote is
good enough.

Well, at least that's my personal idea on the subject, just my two cents. I
don't know of everything that has been discussed in Viena and i'd like to
know if that kind of things were discussed.

Greetings from Spain.

On 6/14/07, Andrew Norton <andrew.norton at pirate-party.us> wrote:
>
> The subject of 'terms definition' is something that I've had on the PPUS
> agenda since early March at least. I was hoping to get together with
> people/groups like the EFF, LEssig, and even an offer to the MPAA/RIAA (even
> if they decline, we look SO much better because we offered) and if they
> accept, then, as the old saying goes, 'its better having them in the tent
> peeing out, then outside the tent peeing in.'
>
> Of cours, the bigger thing is not the WHAT, but the WHO. Who will make
> these terms definitions? The individual parties, or the "International
> Pirate Party Group"? It comes a lot better from a unified international
> group, than an individual country. Therein lies a problem. Right now, we
> don't really have an 'international group' per se. We have this mailing
> list, there is the web site, and the wiki, but none of it coordinated. In
> the end, for last weeks press release for the conference, Forian and I had
> wondered who should be letterheaded - the international group, or the
> Austrian one. in the end, since he is the austrian one, and there is no
> international group structure to  really put a name to it, thats who the
> release came from. I do however think its impact might have been better if
> it came from the international group, rather than the Austrian group, sent
> out by one of the American group (or at least a PPUS email address). Its the
> same reason that the MPAA generally does
> n't put out press releases, certainly not concerning subjects outside the
> USA. Instead it puts them out as being from the MPA - the international
> body.
>
> Secondly, we need more interaction, which we don't really have right now.
> Granted a lot went on with selected parties last weekend, but it needs to be
> ongoing. Things like press releases should be sent to this list, for
> instance, beforehand, so other parties can release related statements
> beforehand, or at least be able to easily reference them if asked at a time
> in the future - by reporters for instance. It will also help all of us to
> learn and enhance our ability to work effectively. United we stand, and all
> that felgercarb. Finally, those of us who sometimes have a reporter as a
> secret identity, or who dabble in it (as I do, badly) it means we can get a
> little jump start on writing a piece that may have a tad better spin on it.
> Similarly, if any of you have any news tips, don't hesitate to drop me an
> email/IM - dmcawanted at gmail.com or hit me up in IRC (K`Tetch)
>
> Public relations, and spin, is the major factor when it comes to politics,
> and its something that doesnt come naturally to most people, except in small
> doses. Working together, we join those small pieces into a much greater
> whole, and weild it effectively and with precision and flair.
>
> Thats my little speech for now, but seriously, we do need to sort out
> spokespeople and press people, even if just within the parties. It is what
> politics is all about. A politician should be able to explain to a man blind
> from birth not only what colour is, but to convince such a man that his
> favourite colour is whatever one the politican says it is. Unfortunatly,
> that is the scale of the job we have before us.
>
> yous,
> Andrew Norton
> International Liaison
> Pirate Party USA
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:42:52 +0200, Natsu <piratenatsu at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have had a look at your wiki. Again, though I like the original idea
> > (substituting their terms for ours), I disagree with the solution.
> >
> > My main problem is that we attack intellectual property as a concept,
> > because we think nothing intellectual can in truth be someone's
> > "property".
> > As I said before, you can't own a melody as you'd own a car. The rights
> > you
> > have over your car cannot be applied to products of the brain.
> >
> > If you use the very same word, "property", in "Pirate-property", you are
> > keeping the concept of property applied to intellectual products. I
> think
> > the flaw is there. If you say "property", you are still accepting their
> > term,
> > their ideas, and putting "pirate" before it only sounds like stealing.
> >
> > If, on the contrary, you refuse the very concept of traditional property
> > to
> > intellectual products, everything becomes naturally free for use, as
> logic
> > says it should be.
> >
> > However, we, in our proposal on copyright (we translated it to author's
> > rights, the concept of copyright is again refused), we constantly defend
> > author's rights.
> >
> > I hope that, whether you agree with us or not, you'll please take out
> and
> > eliminate the term "property" of your proposal. It really helps them,
> not
> > us, IMHO.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Natsu
> >
> >
>
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