[pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4

[Core TX]

The source of the story about the forthcoming ban in the Netherlands  
is not just a column writer.
The minister decided to ban, as a response to questions from the  
socialist party within the parliament.

He also stated, that everything is already arranged, and that he is  
waiting for a consensus within the parliament.

On 4-sep-2007, at 12:00, pp.international.general- 
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>    1. Dutch Minister thinks about Banning the	Home-downloading of
>       Copyrighted Material (Wybo Wiersma)
>    2. Re: Dutch Minister thinks about Banning the	Home-downloading
>       of Copyrighted Material (Natsu)
>    3. Re: Dutch Minister thinks about Banning the	Home-downloading
>       of Copyrighted Material (Andy Milner)
>    4. Re: Dutch Minister thinks about Banning the	Home-downloading
>       of Copyrighted Material (Amelia Andersdotter)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:27:07 +0200
> From: Wybo Wiersma <wybo at logilogi.org>
> Subject: [pp.int.general] Dutch Minister thinks about Banning the
> 	Home-downloading of Copyrighted Material
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
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> Hirsh Ballin, the Dutch Minister of Law thinks about banning the
> downloading of copyrighted material according to a well known
> columnist from the Netherlands.
>
> According to him he does this because the Dutch were strongly opposed
> against taxes on MP3-players and harddisks during the last election-
> time, causing politicians to speak out against those, and Hirsh Ballin
> to ban such taxes untill december 2008.
>
> http://www.nu.nl/news/1217330/1205/Geheim% 
> 3A_Hirsch_Ballin_wil_downloaden_verbieden.html
> (in Dutch)
>
> So we have something of an expected problem here on the horizon.
>
> Wybo Wiersma
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:49:53 +0200
> From: Natsu <piratenatsu at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Dutch Minister thinks about Banning the
> 	Home-downloading of Copyrighted Material
> To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk"
> 	<pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
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> Once France opened the doors to the ban of downloading copyrighted  
> material,
> it was only a matter of time that others tried to do so. Very bad  
> news. We
> really have to get successful at the elections if we want to stop this
> political trend. Only thing is I don't know how to do so.
>
> 2007/9/3, Wybo Wiersma <wybo at logilogi.org>:
>>
>> Hirsh Ballin, the Dutch Minister of Law thinks about banning the
>> downloading of copyrighted material according to a well known
>> columnist from the Netherlands.
>>
>> According to him he does this because the Dutch were strongly opposed
>> against taxes on MP3-players and harddisks during the last election-
>> time, causing politicians to speak out against those, and Hirsh  
>> Ballin
>> to ban such taxes untill december 2008.
>>
>>
>> http://www.nu.nl/news/1217330/1205/Geheim% 
>> 3A_Hirsch_Ballin_wil_downloaden_verbieden.html
>> (in Dutch)
>>
>> So we have something of an expected problem here on the horizon.
>>
>> Wybo Wiersma
>> ____________________________________________________
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>
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>
>
> -- 
> Isabel Mar?a Guzm?n Miranda
>
> Coordinadora del comit? sectorial de Cultura y Derechos de Autor
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:41:23 +0100
> From: "Andy Milner" <andy.milner at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Dutch Minister thinks about Banning the
> 	Home-downloading of Copyrighted Material
> To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk"
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> I think that one of the main problems we have at the moment is that
> the lobbying side of things is very one-sided, all the politicians are
> hearing is from side of the "piracy" argument (I use the term piracy
> loosely).  I think we need to be in a position (and it may be a long
> way off) where we can present our side of the argument and try to
> balance things out.
>
>
> //A
>
> On 03/09/07, Natsu <piratenatsu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Once France opened the doors to the ban of downloading copyrighted  
>> material,
>> it was only a matter of time that others tried to do so. Very bad  
>> news. We
>> really have to get successful at the elections if we want to stop  
>> this
>> political trend. Only thing is I don't know how to do so.
>>
>> 2007/9/3, Wybo Wiersma <wybo at logilogi.org>:
>>> Hirsh Ballin, the Dutch Minister of Law thinks about banning the
>>> downloading of copyrighted material according to a well known
>>> columnist from the Netherlands.
>>>
>>> According to him he does this because the Dutch were strongly  
>>> opposed
>>> against taxes on MP3-players and harddisks during the last election-
>>> time, causing politicians to speak out against those, and Hirsh  
>>> Ballin
>>> to ban such taxes untill december 2008.
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.nu.nl/news/1217330/1205/Geheim% 
>> 3A_Hirsch_Ballin_wil_downloaden_verbieden.html
>>> (in Dutch)
>>>
>>> So we have something of an expected problem here on the horizon.
>>>
>>> Wybo Wiersma
>>> ____________________________________________________
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>>
>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Isabel Mar?a Guzm?n Miranda
>>
>> Coordinadora del comit? sectorial de Cultura y Derechos de Autor
>> ____________________________________________________
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:04:10 +0200
> From: "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Dutch Minister thinks about Banning the
> 	Home-downloading of Copyrighted Material
> To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk"
> 	<pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Message-ID:
> 	<cb7f42690709031404m23dcb10ei7f5b57c4645f4327 at mail.gmail.com>
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> As a political party, what we can do is aim to get positions in
> parliament and thereby influence the outcome of any vote. I believe
> Christian Engstr?m (Swedish vice chairman) motivates this with a
> number of, while successful, still relatively fruitless from various
> open source lobby groups, not to speak of civil rights organisations
> that have been largely concerned about the onslaught with which we
> sacrifice human rights to fight "terrorism" (I use this term probably
> as loosely as Andy uses "piracy", will emphasize that I don't support
> terrorism, but believe it is not the biggest problem society must
> address).
>
> However, as an organisation tieing (sp?) lots of individuals together
> we can do letter campaigns. Anyone who has been involved with Amnesty
> will know what that is. If we write a letter to the Dutch regime now
> and oppose the views they are likely to have had from opposition maybe
> the idea will aborted?
>
> --Amelia
>
> On 03/09/07, Andy Milner <andy.milner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think that one of the main problems we have at the moment is that
>> the lobbying side of things is very one-sided, all the politicians  
>> are
>> hearing is from side of the "piracy" argument (I use the term piracy
>> loosely).  I think we need to be in a position (and it may be a long
>> way off) where we can present our side of the argument and try to
>> balance things out.
>>
>>
>> //A
>>
>> On 03/09/07, Natsu <piratenatsu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Once France opened the doors to the ban of downloading  
>>> copyrighted material,
>>> it was only a matter of time that others tried to do so. Very bad  
>>> news. We
>>> really have to get successful at the elections if we want to stop  
>>> this
>>> political trend. Only thing is I don't know how to do so.
>>>
>>> 2007/9/3, Wybo Wiersma <wybo at logilogi.org>:
>>>> Hirsh Ballin, the Dutch Minister of Law thinks about banning the
>>>> downloading of copyrighted material according to a well known
>>>> columnist from the Netherlands.
>>>>
>>>> According to him he does this because the Dutch were strongly  
>>>> opposed
>>>> against taxes on MP3-players and harddisks during the last  
>>>> election-
>>>> time, causing politicians to speak out against those, and Hirsh  
>>>> Ballin
>>>> to ban such taxes untill december 2008.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.nu.nl/news/1217330/1205/Geheim% 
>>> 3A_Hirsch_Ballin_wil_downloaden_verbieden.html
>>>> (in Dutch)
>>>>
>>>> So we have something of an expected problem here on the horizon.
>>>>
>>>> Wybo Wiersma
>>>> ____________________________________________________
>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>>>
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Isabel Mar?a Guzm?n Miranda
>>>
>>> Coordinadora del comit? sectorial de Cultura y Derechos de Autor
>>> ____________________________________________________
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>>
>>>
>> ____________________________________________________
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>
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