[pp.int.general] Pirate Manifesto: Final Drafts

[Glenn Kerbein]

Some of us have a job and lives to attend to, thank you very much.


Carlos Ayala Vargas wrote:
> http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_Final_Drafts
> 
> First of all, I have to say that I'm very disappointed because of only four 
> representatives (including me) attending last thursday, and only two attending 
> yesterday; I specially missed Amelia (or a replacement) and Jens (or a 
> replacement), as theirs are the two biggest pirate parties. Actually, it's 
> pretty hard -almost impossible- to debate anything when there is almost nobody 
> to debate with.
> 
> After this, and considering what Glenn, Anton, Ole and me debated on last thursday:
> 
> - we agreed on Second Draft having to remain unchanged, to respect the ballots
> - we agreed to manage an alternative draft, to give the pirate parties the 
> chance of choosing a different text -considering the conflictive issues-
> - we were unable to agree on the /Stallman's Amendment/ issue -Ole argued that 
> author's rights are no human rights, and me argued that UN's ESC stated the 
> opposite in 2005 
> <http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/898586b1dc7b4043c1256a450044f331/03902145edbbe797c125711500584ea8/$FILE/G0640060.pdf>-; 
> however Anton and me were able to merge Options Two & Three from 1st ballot
> - we were unable to agree on the /personal or social condition or circumstances/ 
> issue -Ole preferred Option Two from 7th ballot, while I preferred the wording 
> from Second Draft (though, as Anton recommended, with severe grammar improvement 
> for the first paragraph)-
> 
> As most representatives didn't attend, and those who attended were unable to 
> agree in two important issues ... while being able to agree on everything else; 
> and as it's essential to have the Manifesto ready for Helsinki, I'm willing to 
> make the three drafts proposal 
> <http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_Final_Drafts>:
> 
> - Draft A would be Second Draft, unchanged
> - Draft B would be Second Draft, plus the modification from 6th ballot, plus 
> Stallman's Amendment, plus 7th ballot's Option Two
> - Draft C would be Second Draft, plus the modification from 6th ballot, plus 1st 
> ballot's Options Two & Three merged, plus a rewording of Second Draft's About 
> Civil Rights and Liberties section -preserving its meaning-
> 
> As Anton suggested, I would recommend Ole & Jens to reword 7th ballot's Option 
> Two in order to make it more grammatically suitable. But don't take too much 
> time to do it, e.g. -if you agree- until next 4th of January, 2009-. There is no 
> deadline to sign the Pirate Manifesto -thus, allowing new pirate parties to sign 
> it-; however, we agreed in july that it's essential to have it ready for the 
> Helsinki Conference, so we would need enough time to allow pirate parties to 
> decide which draft would they sign -2-3 weeks may be a good period-. That's the 
> reason for me suggesting Ole & Jens to have Draft B ready before 4th of January; 
> also, from now until then, pirate parties would be able to arrange their 
> internal ballots to decide which draft to sign -or to decline to sign any of 
> those three-.
> 
> I hope that most of us agree on the same draft; otherwise, this would be a 
> failure, a pitiable failure considering that apparently we only have disagreed 
> in two issues while agreeing in the rest of issues. To avoid such failure, I ask 
> all pirate parties representatives to hold intense debate representing their 
> parties -each one should contact the rest via e-mail, and use IM (MSN Messenger, 
> Pidgin, Google Talk, etc) to keep in touch-.
> 
> Hope that all representatives properly report their parties, to make them be 
> able to debate on the final drafts and sign one of them. Regards,
> 
> 
>                                                                                                 
> Carlos Ayala
>                                                                                                 
> ( Aiarakoa )
> 
>                                                                         Partido 
> Pirata National Board's Chairman
> 
> P.D.: Please check the link
> 
> 
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Glenn Kerbein
Pirate Party of the United States
"Burn, Hollywood, Burn"