[pp.int.general] Resale rights and 2001/84/EC directive: obscenely enlarging material interests of authors

[machado at sociologia.de]

This discussion is not anymore constructive. I think each national PP 
should be independant and just follow general principles of the PP 
international network.

A happy new year for all of us.

Jorge

Reinier Bakels escreveu:
> Well, apparently I can not convince Carlos, but I would urge all other 
> pirates to be very careful in using human rigghts arguments, basically 
> for the following reasons:
> 1. they are not always convicing
> 2. they may lead to arguments completely contrary to the PP political 
> agenda.
> Politics are not the place to try your skill in making intellectual 
> arguments. Note that - even among lawyers who support the PP 
> objectives - there is no doubt that (honestly!) some human rights 
> arguments actually are in favour of stronger IP. A proper analysis 
> requires a complicated legal theoretical account. Human rights are 
> often conflicting, so it is essential to strike a balance. And that is 
> really the argument NOT to accept "infinite" copyright. Complicated? 
> Yes. And that is why I recommend not to use this route. We may be 
> smart enough to master this complicated issue - but still the voters 
> have to understand it too. 
>  
> In order to promote information freedom, I suggest to refer to 
> information explicitly. Same for privacy. Simple, isn't it?
>       
> Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar, 
> Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, 
> Yassou, Yoroshiku, Slán, Vinarliga, Kær Kvedja
> >>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD LL.M. MSc
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> Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 
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>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Carlos Ayala Vargas <mailto:aiarakoa at yahoo.es>
>     *To:* Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>     <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:57 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [pp.int.general] Resale rights and 2001/84/EC
>     directive: obscenely enlarging material interests of authors
>
>     Reinier Bakels wrote:
>>     Again: beware of human rights! Authors and their representatives
>>     will claim human rights ad nauseam - and it is not plain nonse
>>     from a legal perspective. There is plenty of literature in that
>>     direction.
>     Again: in PIRATA we are not going to abandon human rights just
>     because lobbies abuse them to make their claims. There is one
>     proverb, "/against the vice of demanding, there is the virtue of
>     not conceding/"; if lobbies lie -and they do lie, labels and RMOs-
>     and try to manipulate by making twisted interpretations of human
>     rights, it's our duty to deny such interpretations and offer right
>     ones; if anyone makes claims without due support nor arguments, it
>     doesn't matter if they make such arguments ad nauseam, we have to
>     reject their claims /ad libitum/, calling them /mendacis/,
>     dismissing their attempts to manipulate the facts by stating
>     /risum teneatis, amici?/, and as many latin words and expression
>     that you think may be needed -there are tons of them
>     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_%28full%29>-.
>
>
>                                                                                                      
>     Carlos Ayala
>                                                                                                      
>     ( Aiarakoa )
>
>       
>                                                                              
>     Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman
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