[pp.int.general] Political Party X (was: Uppsala Declaration)
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Thu Jul 3 01:42:53 CEST 2008
* Joining another EU-Parl group would be bad.
If we get enough votes to form our own group that would be best. But if
not we could get better political influence by joining another group. We
would not be bound by it, as we can leave the group if we want. And the
group we (if needed) join do not support our issues we can leave it
again. This will help pressuring a larger group of parliamentarians to
support our issues in order to get our votes on issues where we do not
care in exchange for them voting for our issues.*
That is incompatible with our statutes, and indeed our statutes can be
changed... except for that part and for a good reason. Moreover, I quote
this part again:
*to support our issues in order to get our votes on issues where we do not
care in exchange for them voting for our issues
*Truth is that we DO care about those issues, it's just that we don't have
an ideological position. On the Spanish PP, we do care about those issues in
which we are neutral in principle, it's just that we have united together on
those issues even when we may disagree on non-core issues because nowadays
nobody is defending our position on PP's core issues, but individually we DO
care very much about non-core issues. As everyone individually cares about
non-core issues, exchanging our support on non-core issues for
something/nothing, would just divide us and would be the end of the Pirate
We cannot deny this fact, because doing so would simply be the perfect
betrayal of the principles in which the Spanish Pirate Party is founded.
Felix Robles, a member of the Spanish PP
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Ole Husgaard <pirat at sparre.dk> wrote:
> Max Lalouschek | Piratenpartei Österreichs skrev:
> > There have been so many mails written, that it's impossible for me to
> > react on all of them.
> I have the same problem of too many mails to respond to now that I am
> finally back home.
> But I would like to respond to some of the major issues being raised:
> - This is almost like the pirate manifesto, but only agreed by a few
> No, this is NOT a manifesto. We were aware that a common manifesto would
> be hard to agree on and that it would need a lot of discussion. So we
> agreed only to a platform for the EU Parliament elections.
> The manifesto is very important for us. We should get the discussions
> for this restarted, as Carlos and others suggested. But the manifesto is
> something that we should IMHO not rush, as it it way to important.
> Instead we just settled for a "common platform" that we believe all the
> EU parties will be able to agree to.
> - This is binding to the parties.
> This is only binding to the people who said they agree. I personally
> agree, but it will not be binding to the danish PP until I discussed
> this internally with my party and the local party agree. This is
> something missing from the "common platform" that I think all of us
> attending the Uppsala event agreed on: We cannot bind anybody else than
> us attending. Also it was explicitly stated that the presentation of
> this platform is left to the local parties.
> I think we have many differences. These differences have to be
> respected. When discussing the common platform we were careful to state
> the final document in a way that we thought all the EU parties could
> agree to.
> - Joining another EU-Parl group would be bad.
> If we get enough votes to form our own group that would be best. But if
> not we could get better political influence by joining another group. We
> would not be bound by it, as we can leave the group if we want. And the
> group we (if needed) join do not support our issues we can leave it
> again. This will help pressuring a larger group of parliamentarians to
> support our issues in order to get our votes on issues where we do not
> care in exchange for them voting for our issues.
> Best Regards,
> Ole Husgaard.
> P.S: I really like all the opposition we see now. This is important. I
> only hope that new discussions are concrete (as opposed to theoretical)
> and make a starting point by quoting the text agreed on at the Uppsala
> conference and stating what could be better.
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
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