[pp.int.general] urgent: data retention and downloading
Ricardo Cristof Remmert-Fontes
ricardo.cristof at remmert-fontes.de
Sat May 17 21:23:39 CEST 2008
Hi,
this is not correct.
The german law exceeds the directive in many ways, that's why our
constitutional complaint is a precedence case - not only regarding the
german implementation, but also the directive (I will refer to the last
pointlater on).
The german adoption exceeds the directive in the following point:
- tha date may be accessed in cases of "Crimes commited by
telecommunications" (we do not know exactly, what this means, because it
is a brand new term. it could be calling someone "a**hole" in a blog or
telling your tax accountant by phone to book the private dinner with
your girl friend last week on the business account... and yes, may be
filesharing, when IPRED is fully implemented)
- the catalogue of "serious crimes" (§100a Strafprozessordnung) consists
of about 130 delicts, such as fraud, tax fraud, computer fraud (ebay
fraud, anyone?), migration limits etc.
- some categories of data may be accessed _without_ warrant of the judge
in an automated process by any single police officer
- anonymizers (!), VoIP and other services have to store data, too; this
could in effect lead to a "ban" of anonymizing services (TOR, for example)
And yes, some courts have already said, that rights owners may hav
access to the traffic data.
No a sidenote, why the constitutional court complaint, which we brought
on the road as AK Vorrat (not as pirates, which are not the same, but
sometimes the same persons) is so important:
- Germany is the only country in europe, which have a specific
constitutional court (Bundesverfassungsgericht).
- When this court declares, that the directive 2006/24/ECis not
constitutional, which means, not compatiblewith human rights, and will
never be able to be implemented compatible to human rights (Art. 8
ECHR), we will face a deilemma: the absolute prohibition of
implementation from the court and the constraint from the EC. This
problem of national to common law has not been solved yet.
By the way, actually, the german court waits for the ECJ and vice versa.
It still remains interesting :-D
Because of all this facts, the experts of the member states are watching
the german case very carefully.
Oh, what I have forgot: because of the "Cybercrime Convention", the
police authorities and secret services of about 52 states (including
Aserbaidschan, for example) will may be able to access the date
collected by data retention from all states, who have implemented it.
Funny, huh?
Best regards,
Ricardo Cristof
(now as a spokesman of German Working group on data retention/AK Vorrat
(=Arbeitskreis Vorratsdatenspeichung)
Reinier Bakels schrieb:
> I have found that in Germany the retained data may only be used (§ 113b
> German Telecommunication Act):
>
> 1. zur Verfolgung von Straftaten,
>
> 2. zur Abwehr von erheblichen Gefahren für die öffentliche Sicherheit oder
>
> 3. zur Erfüllung der gesetzlichen Aufgaben der Verfassungsschutzbehörden
> des Bundes und
>
> der Länder, des Bundesnachrichtendienstes und des Militärischen
> Abschirmdienstes
>
> Short translation:
>
> 1. for criminal prosecution
>
> 2. to prevent severe public security risks (presumably terrorism)
>
> 3. for intelligence agencies
>
> So rights owners have no access to such data either in Germany (like in
> The Netherlands), except indirectly if they report an infringement to
> criminal prosecution authorities. Apparently, the directive makes no
> provision for the use of retained data, except that it must be regulated
> by law.
>
> ANY MEMBER STATE CONSIDERING TO ALLOW ACCESS BY RIGHTS OWNERS ORGANISATIONS?
>
>
>
>
>
> Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar,
> Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei,
> Yassou, Yoroshiku
> >>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD
> private: Johan Willem Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The
> Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 6490,
> fax +31 79 316 7221
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Reinier Bakels <mailto:r.bakels at planet.nl>
> *To:* Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net> ;
> ricardo.cristof at remmert-fontes.de
> <mailto:ricardo.cristof at remmert-fontes.de>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 17, 2008 7:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [pp.int.general] urgent: data retention and downloading
>
> hi rick, very helpful! questions:
> - what is the current status in sweden?
> - in the netherlands, only criminal prosecution authorities and our
> secret service is entitled to see the collected (traffic) data, i.e.
> not the copyright owners themselves (they can only report a criminal
> infringement - but our criminal authorities (so far) have the right
> *not* to prosecute, and typically in copyright matters the position
> has always been: try the private (civil) law route first).
> - connected to this: is there any relation in the swedish
> implementation law proposal that makes a connection between data
> retention and copyright enforcement? in the netherlands, the
> implementation is by changing the telecommunications act, conly
> connecting to the criminal procedure act, not (directly) to
> copyright anyway. if the swedish act does make the connection, my
> "conspiracy theory" is no longer a theory but a hard fact!
>
> i would be interested to hear about the situation in germany as well
> (i read german, not swedish ...)
>
> Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar,
> Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei,
> Yassou, Yoroshiku
> >>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD
> private: Johan Willem Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The
> Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988
> 6490, fax +31 79 316 7221
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) <mailto:rick at piratpartiet.se>
> *To:* Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 17, 2008 4:50 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [pp.int.general] urgent: data retention and
> downloading
>
> Link to Google's translation (not perfect, but reasonably
> understandable):
> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frendo.se%2Fifpi080320.html&sl=sv&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
>
>
> Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) wrote:
>> The best data for a response, I believe, would come from IFPI
>> Sweden's response to the Swedish Justice Department about the
>> Swedish implementation proposal on the Data Retention Directive.
>>
>> Highlights:
>>
>> ...an implementation of this directive constitutes an
>> important foundation and prerequisite for IFPI's further work
>> in taking action against those who infringe on our
>> rightsholders' rights on the Internet...
>>
>> ...IFPI considers it important that the implementation... is
>> done in such a way that copyright holders are given access
>> to... traffic data...
>>
>> ...If technical innovation would make it possible to
>> circumvent data retention or make it impossible, this would
>> potentially cause great harm to copyright holders. ...
>>
>> ...It shall be possible for law enforcement and for
>> rightsholders to act judicially against a party that infringes
>> on rights, even when this happens on the Internet...
>> (/remember now, the context is a data retention directive
>> comment/)
>>
>> ...To fight illegal activity on the Internet, through criminal
>> and civil sanctions, it is therefore a necessity that some
>> traffic data be retained. In the case of a too restrictive
>> regulation of data retention, there is a real risk of a
>> situation where where numerous illegal acts cannot be mitigated.
>>
>> See http://www.frendo.se/ifpi080320.html. Google can translate
>> the rest of the text. My translations are from my printout of
>> the PDF (with lots of red markings on it).
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> Reinier Bakels wrote:
>>> NL parliament will vote next week about the Dutch law
>>> implementing the Data Retention Directive. Government
>>> proposes 24 months, the supporters of 6 and 24 months are
>>> roughly in balance. Many commentaries in newspapers.
>>>
>>> None refers to a link with copyright enforcement. I know Erik
>>> Josefsson noticed a long time ago that there is probably a
>>> link between IPRED2 (thats makes copyright infringement
>>> "severe crimes") and Data Retention, that is about collecting
>>> data for the prosecution of "severe crimes" only.
>>>
>>> Could we claim convincingly that "Data Retention" only pays
>>> lip service to terrorism and (other) criminality, but
>>> actually is just another of the many measures covertly
>>> proposed by desparate record companies to turn the Internet
>>> into a police state for the purpose of winning a war against
>>> file sharers - that is already almost lost?
>>>
>>> This is urgent - if true, I will send a reaction to the
>>> newspapers.
>>>
>>> reinier
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Viele Grüße,
Ricardo Cristof Remmert-Fontes
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