[pp.int.general] "Natural" law

[Carlos Ayala Vargas]

Reinier Bakels wrote:
>> While I'm keen to follow Jorge, David, Andy and others' advice and 
>> continue this in PPI forum, if Reinier rejects this too and continues 
>> the debate here in the PPI list, it would make no sense to reply him 
>> there; thus, until Reinier accepts to move this debate to the PPI 
>> forum, I'll have to continue replying him here.
> Where is the PPI forum?
http://www.pp-international.net/forum/ <== it was in Andy Milner, maybe 
you didn't read his mail; its use was addressed by Anton Tamminen; even 
Jorge Machado recommended this concrete thread 
http://www.pp-international.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435

Is it possible that you haven't seen any of those three mails?
> Anyway, I guess the topics we discuss here are pretty essential. I am 
> trying to be more concise - you too?
Ok, so you maybe saw them, but what actually happens is that you are not 
interested in continue this debate in the PPI forum, outside this list, 
regardless of whoever who asks for it.
> Anyway, if you believe that politicians and others who do not 
> interpret human rights in the way you believe is correct are *liers* 
> then we better end our discussion.
I believe that politicians who lie are liars. Do you disagree with that 
statement? Because it is my statement.

The one you try to misattribute me -again strawman figures ... what did 
we talk about respecting the integrity of other's works (and speeches)?- 
.... I don't know who does it belong to ... to you? to anyone else? Not 
to me.
> I suggest you join an action group.
You mean to join an action group *AND* leave PIRATA? Thanks for your 
/advice/, no thanks.
> If you have the ambition to be a politician, you should be prepared to 
> take responsibility for policy, in a coalition
PIRATA only aims for concrete deals, not for term agreements. We 
wouldn't enter a coalition government, it's in our Statute, registered 
at the Political Parties Registry of the Minister of Interior.
> without a majority, and still trying to influence politics in youy 
> direction. The "catalytic" approach, as I called it: trying to get 
> more influence than justified by the number os seats, because you are 
> really convincing.
And we'll do, we'll do. However, trying to get more influence than 
justified by the number of seats won't be done by not only selling our 
souls -i.e., voting whatever is requested by the government, no matter 
whether it's non-core issue or not, no matter whether it's rejected by 
most citizens or not-, but even giving up from demanding few or many of 
our goals. That's not our game, Reinier.

Remember that laws can be cut into pieces for parliamentary debate; you 
can divide a law proposal and deal about specific pieces with 
parliamentary groups more keen to agree with you on those specific 
pieces. Though, however, remember that it can only happen if 
parliamentary groups are keen to; when they are not -e.g., forget PSOE 
and IU (171 out of 350 seats) if you want to reform Spanish /IP/ law; 
that doesn't give us much margin to maneuver, does it?-; you always 
think of politics, laws, lawyers and everything in the light of what you 
know; but from my mails I hope you have seen that there are significant 
(I would even say expectable) differences between the Dutch case and the 
Spanish case.
> An frankly, that would not be very difficult in this field. All fields 
> of intellectual property law have consistently been neglected by 
> politics over many decades. Improvement is easy, unless you spoil it 
> by becoming fundamentalist. And now I use this word on purpose.
You've always used that word on purpose; actually, I'm not 
/fundamentalist/ but simply defending the stances of the party where I 
belong. When you ask me to not demand reduction of commercial rights 
term & scope; when you ask me to abandon the /language arena/ about the 
/c word/ and such; when you ask me to abandon the /ideologic arena/ 
about author's commercial rights not having to be considered as property 
and such; when you ask me all that stuff, I have to say ... thanks for 
your /advice/, no thanks.

And if your reaction to my rejection is to call me /fundamentalist, 
pathetic/ and all that sort of gifts from you ... well, shame on you.


                                                                                                
Carlos Ayala
                                                                                                
( Aiarakoa )

                                                                         
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman