[pp.int.general] freedom of speech

[Glenn Kerbein]

Religion is not a mandatory part of one's life. You can live without
religion, and you can live with the notion of religious confusion
(agnosticism).
I think you're making the mistake that you must be able to attest
publicly againt religion.
Here in the States, you're allowed to public debate of religion. You're
allowed to associate with one affiliation or another. The other side
exists too: you can attest and debate atheism.
Frankly, I don't think your theory of "freedom theft" by one political
association holds true for all countries.

I could just be rambling on about nothing again. Damned colds.

Reinier Bakels wrote:
> Perhaps an excellent example of the ambiguity of human rights is the debat about the "freedom of speech". Right-wing politicians claim this freedom to say very unpleasant things about religious and ethnic groups, and then want the government to pay their protection: Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Some even construe this right as the "right to offend".
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> Don't get me wrong. I fully support the idea that anything can be said about (the substance of) government policy. Attacking people, and groups of people as such imho is not permissible.
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> Also the mistake is often made that social norms are confused with legal norms. The "freedom of speech" basically means that the government should not normally interfere. But there are other norms, social norms of civilisation and decency. Thus the right to offend is pretty nonsensical. Again, all policy *substance* may be attacked.
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> In sum, the "freedom of speech" has been hijacked by rigyht-wing politicians, so one should be careful to invoke it (under its name).
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> reinier     
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Glenn Kerbein
Pirate Party of the United States
"Burn, Hollywood, Burn"