[pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 29, Issue 31

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Sat Jul 18 16:20:59 CEST 2009 

are you all Pirates in some Twitter or Facebook locations? i'm looking 
in facebook and seeing too much fakes. pliz send me a private mail so i 
can add you. we think that union is the real force.

regards

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>    1. Re: Clarifying the status of PIRATA (Spanish	pirate party).
>       (Matias Pajulahti)
>    2. PP Sweden, PPI and national PP's (Partidul Piratilor)
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:10:08 +0300
> From: Matias Pajulahti <matias.pajulahti at iki.fi>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Clarifying the status of PIRATA (Spanish
> 	pirate party).
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> Hiya,
>
> Here's my input to help you out. I'm only correcting the English. I
> know nothing about the original version nor Spanish. There might be
> more corrections needed than what I've noticed or been able to handle.
> Someone else should check also. :)
>
> 2009/7/16 loikva <enrique at errea.es>:
>   
>> ? Hi:
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ?We, the spanish pirate party, would like to know if the content
>> of the two next paragrahps, extracted and translated, from an interview made
>> to Amelia Andersdotter during his recent staying in Barcelona and published
>> by a spanish paper , is correct:
>>
>>
>> ##############beggining of the extract###############################
>>
>> 1) Do you think that the spanish pirate party could reach so much votes as
>> the swedish pirate party?
>>     
>
> "Do you think that the Spanish Pirate Party could reach as much votes
> as the Swedish Pirate Party?" [ + or more :) ]
>
>   
>> It is difficult. In Spain there are two main politic parties over the rest
>> of them.
>>     
>
> "political parties"
>
>   
>> Besides, the spanish pirates tend to ?work more through
>> associations than political organizations.
>>
>>     
>
> "Spanish", not spanish.
>
>   
>> 2) Apart the swedish, more pirate parties has been created ?in some other
>> countries .
>>     
>
> "Apart the Swedish [Pirate] party, " / "Apart the Swedish one, "
>
> ", more pirate parties have been created [ / started ] in some other countries."
>
>   
>> Does it exist any sort of agreements or common issues between
>> all of them?
>>     
>
> "Are there any sort of agreements or common issues between all of them?"
>
>
>
>   
>> No. Many of them are still growing and there is still a lack of internal
>> organization. Also we have found with common cultural barriers in some of
>> them.
>>     
>
> "Also we have found common cultural barriers in some of them" ?? or
> "Also we have found it common that there are some cultural barriers in
> some of them."
>
> I think the last version is what was meant? Those two I made both mean
> totally different things from each other.
>
>   
>> ##############end of the extract###################################
>>
>> If it is correct, we would like to remark that the Spanish pirate party
>> (PIRATA) was created as a regular and official ?political party,
>> corresponding the the laws of the Government of Spain, in 2006.
>>
>>     
>
> "to the laws of the" etc
>
>   
>> If it isn't, please cite the corrections needed to understand it
>> undoubtedly.
>>
>>
>>
>> ? ? ?Enrique Errea a.k.a. "ninHer"
>> ? ? ?II. RR. Coordinator of the Spanish Pirate Party (PIRATA)
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>
>
> ~~
> Matias Pajulahti
> Chairman of Piraattinuoret
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:53:30 +0300
> From: Partidul Piratilor <contact at partidulpiratilor.ro>
> Subject: [pp.int.general] PP Sweden, PPI and national PP's
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
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> Most of us had the feeling something was wrong in their country politic
> class, but did not knew what to do. The fight for civil liberties, change in
> the copyright legislation and privacy was truly mostly the NGO field, with
> many small groups fighting for the same objective. The Swedish PP set the
> example on how can we take the fight on another level, and some of us acted
> since a couple of years ago. Maybe the PPI has not evolved into what should
> be, but the steps taken until now are more than honorable. Some of you took
> it personal when it was said that a PP should target its voters, but we all
> must understand that the pirates as a political movement are more that just
> their ideals. We have stepped into a dogs world and we should follow some
> rules before bringing down the establishment.
> The Swedish PP and the German PP has shown the way. I would appreciate more
> technical details and even help from them, for the parties already
> established or just starting. Their experience is invaluable for us. What
> they will do with the knowledge aquired ... (to be completed by them :) )
> For the PPI to exist, the wiki will also be a extraordinary help, and real
> links between members of the parties will aid more.
> Let's take Romania example: for every news article about Swedish PP and
> German PP we win more members. So they are helping us without doing much.
> (As a sidenote: all pirate making declarations to the press, please transmit
> throug the reporter the call for people to join their national PP's. It
> helps alot.) Of course, at some point we will finish the legal proceedings
> and register as a party. Then, the biggest help we could get then will be a
> visit here form some proeminent members of other parties. The same could
> work for other parties.
>
> >From Romania,
> Cristian
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