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[Reinier Bakels]

>    The same applies for any kind of liberal politics. In American 
> terminology,
>    a liberal is nearly a communist, far left wing.
>
> A Liberal in the US believes in civil liberties and the welfare state.
> I am a Liberal.

Sorry, I did not want to offend you.
In my country, the liberals always represented the (nouveau) riche in the 
luxury suburbs, advocated lower taxes, and the captains of industry.
In recent years, the Dutch liberals are becoming increasingly conservatist, 
advocating law & order, criticising privacy advocates, objecting 
immigration, even criticizing human rights. They removed some right wing 
extremists from the party, but they became so succesful afterwards, that our 
liberals now are also "extermenting" with more extremist positions, because 
in the polls they are in dire straits.
My observation on US liberals was primarily meant to make the contrast. the 
US situtation is very different. Even socialism is considered a questionable 
thing in the US - while it is quite mainstream in virtually every European 
country.
reinier