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[Alexander Bock]

As far as I'm concerned: You're more or less preaching to the choir.

Anyway, for now, I think getting another seat would be favorable to  
our cause.

Am 08.06.2009 um 21:01 schrieb Reinier Bakels:

>> > Didn't Ireland reject this disguised constitution?
>>
>> It's a complicated matter, calling it a "disguised constitution"
>> really doesn't live up to that.
>
> I hate this debate about a "disguised constitution", becase it  
> focuses on the wrong things.
>
> Is the question: "constitution yes/no?" No, it is not. Any by-law  
> (written or unwritten) of a (supra-)national organisation is a kind  
> of constitution.
> So what is the question then? It is whether the Lisbon treaty is  
> better than the Nice treaty, in the right direction.
> What is "the right direction?" Populists argue: "less Europe". I  
> would argue that the EU is an unavoidable reality, so one should  
> concentrate on a proper policy maing process, includiing a proper  
> division of tasks between memer states and the Union. But that is  
> exacly an aspect of "Lisbon".
> Is a referendum indispensable? I don't think so. Referenda should be  
> on basic yes/no questions. The Lisbon treaty is about the  
> complicated question how to organise the EU in the future. For such  
> questions, we invented *the representative democracy*. Professional  
> politicians should articulate the issues.
> But isn't a referendum needed anyway because the Lisbon treaty is  
> equivalent to a national constitution change? Well, that depends on  
> whether national constitution changes require a referendum. In NL,  
> the process to change the constitution is that twice an absolute  
> majority is needed, with (general) elections in between, and the  
> constitution explitly says that the same procedure (not less, not  
> more) should be followed for constitution-like treaties.
>
> The European project is in crisis. Nationalism is the new fashion.  
> The problem is exacerbated by the present economic crisis. "Our own  
> people first" is the slogan of the neo-facists. Imho saving European  
> solidarity is a priority. But admittedly a lot must be changed. Like  
> the EU should get a truly European parliament, where people can  
> directly vote politicians from other countries.
>
> reinier
>
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