[pp.int.general] Pirate Party UK Critism

[Erika Nilsson]

I have to say I agree with the blogger's general point, although I remember
that there were some very reasonable arguments for not making membership in
the PPUK free, for example (running a party in the UK costs crazy amounts of
money, etc). Supporting the Obscene Publications Act is, imo, as far as you
can possibly get from the freedom of speech ethos of the Pirate movement
(and the arguments for doing so seem to be generally along the lines of
"let's not help load the cannon that's going to be pointed at us" - ie
"we're not sure this is what we believe but we don't really dare to say
otherwise"). As for keeping policy discussion closed to non-members, I wrote
a pretty long comment to the blog post, but in short I would advocate
opening up *discussion* to all forum members while closing actual *voting*
on policy decisions to paying members.

In contrast to the blogger, I don't hope that someone will form a "PPUK #2"
- that would just be counter-productive and harmful to both parties, and to
the voters - but I do hope that the PPUK will take these problems seriously,
and not just start chanting that "if we open discussion up, our forum will
turn into 4chan".

Erika Nilsson


2009/10/2 Chris Lockie <chris at lockie.org>

> I have to say that this statement about 'obscene' publications and
> images...
>
> "It's not censorship, it's exercising good moral judgement on behalf of the
> voters"
>
> ...makes me deeply uncomfortable. It's bloody cheeky of any political party
> to think I'll let them decide on my behalf what's right and what's wrong,
> what's obscene and what's 'acceptable'. I had no idea the PPUK was in favour
> of that piece of legislation and I'm unlikely to support them in any
> election if that stance remains unchanged.
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Pirate Party UK Critism
> From: Joonas_Mäkinen <joonasd6 at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, October 02, 2009 3:44 pm
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>
> Altough I am not from UK, I do have to point out what the text made me
> think about you:
> He is quite right about freedom of expressing opinions, even if they are
> homophobic.
>
> "http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=655"
>
> I disagree with this.
>
> To get the trust of people who in turn have lost their trust in the old
> parties, you need to be more open than them.
>
> 2009/10/2 Kai Mast <kai.mast at freakybytes.org>
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I would like the members of the Pirate Party UK to comment on this
>> blogpost.
>> http://bitplane.net/2009/09/pirate-party-uk-fail/
>>
>> greetings,
>> Kai
>>
>>
>>
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