[pp.int.general] Greens saying Pirate Parties unnecessary"

[Alex Foti]

your subject should've been more correctly titled "Canadian Greens
saying Pirate Parties unnecessary", because a cursory reading makes it
look like Cohn-Bendit or some other prominent greens said that. Also,
climate change is a pretty big issue and I don't really see how greens
would compromise pirate rights for climate justice. In general, I have
a hard time thinking of an eco-issue where there's a tradeoff between
environmental needs and rights of expression (maybe it's my lack of
imagination). Finally, it's telling that Benkler in The Wealth of
Networks brands as greens the group embracing a sharing philosophy of
p2p production, as distinct from the blues embracing strong public
domain coupled with copyright law, and the reds favoring market
copyrighted solutions always (in the US, democrats are blue and
republicans are red).

ciao and solidarity to german pirates beaten by police,

lx

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Eric Priezkalns
<eric.priezkalns at pirateparty.org.uk> wrote:
> Jamie,
>
> I don't understand your point.  The Canadians and other Green parties say
> there is no need for a Pirate Party because they have the relevant policies
> already.  You respond by saying this is not just propaganda - does that mean
> you don't think there is a need for a Pirate Party?  When other parties say
> they have green policies, do the Greens say "look, they have green policies
> - we don't need to exist"?  My question wasn't about whether people have a
> nice fuzzy feeling about the Greens deep down in their soul or whether we
> think the Greens are run by lovely people with their hearts in the right
> place when it comes to intellectual property.  It was about how they are
> using propaganda to hurt the Pirate Parties and asking how the Pirate
> Parties intend to respond.  Either the response is collective at
> international level, or it will have to be done at national level, because
> somebody has to respond.  Green candidates are going to compete with Pirate
> candidates for the same votes.  If Green Parties say there is no need for
> Pirate Parties and point to the European Parliament as evidence, the correct
> answer from a Pirate Party spokesperson or candidate cannot be to simply
> comment on what a good job the Greens would do if they were elected instead
> of the Pirate Party's candidate.
>
> E
>
>
> On 15 Sep 2009, at 13:07, jamie king wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't say it's just propaganda. The uk Greens showed 'STEAL THIS
>> FILM II' at their conference last year -- so I guess even before
>> Pirate Party looked more viable, they were thinking about these
>> issues. Just saying.
>>
>> j
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eric Priezkalns
>> <eric.priezkalns at pirateparty.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a snip from an interview with the leader of the Greens in Canada,
>>> Elizabeth May.  The full interview is
>>> here: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28206
>>> "p2pnet: What do you think of Pirate Parties and the fact it looks as
>>> though
>>> Canada and soon join other countries in having one of its own?
>>> May: Did you notice that the Pirate Party in the EU Parliament has joined
>>> the Green Caucus?  We don’t need a pirate party in Canada. The greens are
>>> championing those issues. We shouldn’t further fracture the efforts of
>>> Canadians who want to restore real democracy, including in undemocratic
>>> copyright rules."
>>> Elizabeth May has previously said similar things in an attempt to
>>> undermine
>>> the Pirate Party of Canada.  We've got 'Green Pirates' trying to win new
>>> votes for the Green party in mainland Europe.  In the UK, similar things
>>> are
>>> starting to happen, with the Green Party attempting to undermine Pirate
>>> Party support because they see it as a threat.
>>> Who is taking the lead to counter Green Party propaganda, publicly saying
>>> there is a need for a separate Pirate Party movement?  If it is not
>>> coordinated internationally, than national parties will have no choice
>>> but
>>> to fight back individually to stop votes, members and support being lost
>>> to
>>> the Green Party.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> Eric Priezkalns
>>> Treasurer
>>> Pirate Party UK
>>> +44 7958 467273
>>> treasurer at pirateparty.org.uk
>>> http://pirateparty.org.uk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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