[pp.int.general] GOODBYE!

[Andrew Norton]

Attacking a journalist, and screaming paranoid rantings, when the
'provocation' was "standing there" is a bit of a mismatch. It's not
the first time he's made accusations about people being provocateurs
either (he's accused myself, and Carlos of it as well, that I know of)

People that act this way, without rational thought, and with frequent
accusations of subversive behaviour are the people that ACTUALLY
undermine our positions, and actions. People like that NEED to leave,
else they ruin the work everyone else does by association.

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov
<bogo at piratskapartia.bg> wrote:
> You don't have to go. There are always provocateurs that aims to do that and
> to make people like you to leave. Please don't.
>
> Bogo
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Reinier Bakels <rbakels at ffii.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have noted today that the PPI has very naive ideas about "transparency",
>> allowing journalists to participate in any PP meeting they like. Reality is
>> that journalists make a business by serving their audience, not the people
>> they report about. The audience is often not interested in a precise,
>> "scientific" account, but in controversies, scandals etc.
>>
>> It is something for intellectuals to foster "open debates". Politics
>> basically are business, which means that you only trust someone if it is in
>> your own interest. Other perceptions are naive.
>>
>> On the Dutch PP mailing list is an attorney that supports copyright
>> owners. This is really tough business. He already put me under moral
>> pressure (in vain, because I am really independent), and I am sure he will
>> exploit all and any weaknesses of Pirates in his efforts to serve his
>> clients.
>>
>> Are all Pirates really naive? Or are there perhaps (other) trolls among
>> us? It all depends on trust. I don't trust someone who has *obviously*
>> conflicting interests.
>>
>> When I worked in private business, it was always strictly forbidden to me
>> to talk to journalists. Well, you may be forced to talk to the to say "no",
>> but then I was required to report to management immediately. Was this a
>> violation of the principles of a free press? No, it is the consequence of a
>> *realistic* perception of the basic conflict of interest between journalists
>> and the people they report about. Whether you are in business or in
>> politics, you want to achieve results. So you fight anyone obstructing your
>> work.
>>
>> It is totally naive to invite your ennemy and sit with your in an informal
>> setting to have a beer. You may pretend an informal setting, but then it is
>> still to work on your objectives.
>>
>> GOOD LUCK! GOOD BYE!
>>
>> All wars are dirty in a sense. I won't be part of this
>>
>> Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar,
>> Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adiós, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, Yassou,
>> Yoroshiku, Slán, Vinarliga, Kær Kveðja
>> >>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD LL.M. MSc
>> private: Johan Willem Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The Netherlands
>> telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 6490,  fax +31 79 316
>> 7221
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