[pp.int.general] Support for Julian Assange and Wikileaks

Thu Dec 2 22:32:15 CET 2010

For the record, I agree with:

I know one issue I have agreed with in the past is the concerns raised
by some of the human rights group. I am very supportive of making sure

we are able to know what our governments are up to, but we also need to
try to protect individuals. Information should be redacted as much as
possible to protect individuals IMO. Is the mission of Wikileaks
something good? I think so. Could they do things better? I think so.
Should they be stopped? I don't think so.

Marcus Kesler
Pirate Party of Oklahoma

;))

...and Boris, well, for good or bad Transparency is everything in a Democracy. No transparency= no Democracy

Serrano
Saludos

Am 02.12.2010 16:50, schrieb 
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>     1. Re: Support for Julian Assange and Wikileaks (Kenneth Peiruza)
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>     3. Re: Support for Julian Assange and Wikileaks (Kenneth Peiruza)
>     4. Re: Support for Julian Assange and Wikileaks (moira br?lisauer)
>     5. Re: Support for Julian Assange and Wikileaks (Kenneth Peiruza)
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> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:30:20 +0100
> From: Kenneth Peiruza<kenneth at contralaguerra.org>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Support for Julian Assange and Wikileaks
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> I would suggest you to take Risperdal, 4 times a day.
>
> Al 02/12/10 14:36, En/na Alex ha escrit:
>> I will never support mr. Assange. He's backed by the CIA and the NSA,
>> and he's interested in money only. Where do you think he gets all
>> these tones of docs? This whole Most Wanted thing is an obvious
>> charade. I cannot believe people fall for this crap so easily. The
>> boys(couts) from Cryptome made a good analysis of the previous "leak"
>> in Oct. Check it out. http://cryptome.org/ I see they have some new
>> stuff on the subject. Btw they used to be part of the Wikileaks and
>> then had to leave because of fake documents and Assange's strictly
>> mercantile interests&   shady allies.
>>
>> so as Boris would say... fuck Assange...and Hillary too!
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Erik L?nroth<erik.lonroth at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>
>>> I think that nobody has escaped the recent events of the Wikileaks publications.
>>>
>>> * In Sweden, there is an international warranty to arrest Julian
>>> Assange which is now on Interpol:s "Most Wanted List".
>>> * USA - Hillary Clinton - will use all its available forces to stop
>>> Wikileaks and try to prosecute Julian Assange for "something".
>>> * Julian is today, one of the most hunted persons in the world at the moment.
>>>
>>> Now Pirates, util Julian has been proven guilty of ANYTHING, we have
>>> to support him. (Inocent until proven guilty).
>>>
>>> Julian as a person is in grave danger, and what happens to him will
>>> statue an example for the rest of us to see.
>>>
>>> What can we do to protect him?
>>>
>>> /Erik
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> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 09:35:06 -0600
> From: Marcus Kesler<marcus at d-usa.info>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Support for Julian Assange and Wikileaks
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> I know one issue I have agreed with in the past is the concerns raised
> by some of the human rights group. I am very supportive of making sure
> we are able to know what our governments are up to, but we also need to
> try to protect individuals. Information should be redacted as much as
> possible to protect individuals IMO. Is the mission of Wikileaks
> something good? I think so. Could they do things better? I think so.
> Should they be stopped? I don't think so.
>
> Marcus Kesler
> Pirate Party of Oklahoma
>
> On 12/2/2010 9:22 AM, Boris Turovskiy wrote:
>> Hi Erik,
>>> Wikileaks is a representation of the belief in Free-speech,
>>> Transparency and Democracy.
>> In my opinion, Wikileaks is also a representation of the belief in
>> lawlesness, digital right of the strongest, and violation of every right
>> to privacy imaginable.
>> I would ask you not to try silencing the people in the Pirate movement
>> who are sceptical towards Wikileaks by stating that our support of
>> Wikileaks is an axiom and should not be discussed. I'd be happy if we
>> could lead a constructive dialogue on the topic as it does indeed touch
>> many of our core political ideas (including transparency and privacy,
>> two concepts which often contradict each other, as we have learned the
>> hard way in the German Pirate Party), but I decline to participate in a
>> discussion where one side considers itself right by definition.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Boris
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________
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> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:41:56 +0100
> From: Kenneth Peiruza<kenneth at contralaguerra.org>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Support for Julian Assange and Wikileaks
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> Boris.....
>
> Do you believe in government's transparency?
>
> When did wikileaks leaked anything related to somebody's privacy?
>
> Man, you are against the Free Software Foundation and against
> wikileaks.... amazing, and you are co-president? OMG.
>
>
> As far as I've seen this year, you will never get my vote again.
>
>
> Al 02/12/10 16:22, En/na Boris Turovskiy ha escrit:
>> Hi Erik,
>>
>>> Wikileaks is a representation of the belief in Free-speech,
>>> Transparency and Democracy.
>> In my opinion, Wikileaks is also a representation of the belief in
>> lawlesness, digital right of the strongest, and violation of every
>> right to privacy imaginable.
>> I would ask you not to try silencing the people in the Pirate movement
>> who are sceptical towards Wikileaks by stating that our support of
>> Wikileaks is an axiom and should not be discussed. I'd be happy if we
>> could lead a constructive dialogue on the topic as it does indeed
>> touch many of our core political ideas (including transparency and
>> privacy, two concepts which often contradict each other, as we have
>> learned the hard way in the German Pirate Party), but I decline to
>> participate in a discussion where one side considers itself right by
>> definition.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Boris
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
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> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 16:48:49 +0100
> From: moira br?lisauer<moosline at gmail.com>
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> Boris is not co-president!
>
> Piraten ohne Grenzen
> Aktuarin Moira Br?lisauer
> Postfach 75
> CH-7536 Sta Maria VM
>
> Am 02.12.2010 um 16:42 schrieb Kenneth Peiruza<kenneth at contralaguerra.org>:
>
> Boris.....
>
> Do you believe in government's transparency?
>
> When did wikileaks leaked anything related to somebody's privacy?
>
> Man, you are against the Free Software Foundation and against wikileaks....
> amazing, and you are co-president? OMG.
>
>
> As far as I've seen this year, you will never get my vote again.
>
>
> Al 02/12/10 16:22, En/na Boris Turovskiy ha escrit:
>
> Hi Erik,
>
>> Wikileaks is a representation of the belief in Free-speech,
>> Transparency and Democracy.
> In my opinion, Wikileaks is also a representation of the belief in
> lawlesness, digital right of the strongest, and violation of every right to
> privacy imaginable.
> I would ask you not to try silencing the people in the Pirate movement who
> are sceptical towards Wikileaks by stating that our support of Wikileaks is
> an axiom and should not be discussed. I'd be happy if we could lead a
> constructive dialogue on the topic as it does indeed touch many of our core
> political ideas (including transparency and privacy, two concepts which
> often contradict each other, as we have learned the hard way in the German
> Pirate Party), but I decline to participate in a discussion where one side
> considers itself right by definition.
>
> Best regards,
> Boris
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:50:54 +0100
> From: Kenneth Peiruza<kenneth at contralaguerra.org>
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> I breath again!
>
> Thanks $deity!
>
> Al 02/12/10 16:48, En/na moira br?lisauer ha escrit:
>> Boris is not co-president!
>>
>> Piraten ohne Grenzen
>> Aktuarin Moira Br?lisauer
>> Postfach 75
>> CH-7536 Sta Maria VM
>>
>> Am 02.12.2010 um 16:42 schrieb Kenneth Peiruza
>> <kenneth at contralaguerra.org<mailto:kenneth at contralaguerra.org>>:
>>
>>> Boris.....
>>>
>>> Do you believe in government's transparency?
>>>
>>> When did wikileaks leaked anything related to somebody's privacy?
>>>
>>> Man, you are against the Free Software Foundation and against
>>> wikileaks.... amazing, and you are co-president? OMG.
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I've seen this year, you will never get my vote again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Al 02/12/10 16:22, En/na Boris Turovskiy ha escrit:
>>>> Hi Erik,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wikileaks is a representation of the belief in Free-speech,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Transparency and Democracy.
>>>> In my opinion, Wikileaks is also a representation of the belief in
>>>> lawlesness, digital right of the strongest, and violation of every
>>>> right to privacy imaginable.
>>>> I would ask you not to try silencing the people in the Pirate
>>>> movement who are sceptical towards Wikileaks by stating that our
>>>> support of Wikileaks is an axiom and should not be discussed. I'd be
>>>> happy if we could lead a constructive dialogue on the topic as it
>>>> does indeed touch many of our core political ideas (including
>>>> transparency and privacy, two concepts which often contradict each
>>>> other, as we have learned the hard way in the German Pirate Party),
>>>> but I decline to participate in a discussion where one side
>>>> considers itself right by definition.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Boris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________________________
>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net<mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
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