[pp.int.general] About PP Russia

[Samir Allioui]

Just for the record, are talking about the same PPRU who attended at the
Viena conference ?
The same Russians who had the idea of getting pirates on top of a icebreaker
?

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:29 PM, ChooJoy at pirate-party.ru <
choojoy at pirate-party.ru> wrote:

> Hello.
> My name is Stanislav Shakirov, leader of PPRU, and Fedor's first letter
> contains serious accusations against me. I have to respond both on the
> topics touched and on the personal history of the conflict.
>
> First, the positions: The PPRU's as well as my personal views regarding
> media contents and its use coincide with Public Domain Manifesto, including
> calls for terms of copyright protection to be shortened and restrictions for
> non-commercial use to be removed. It also states that the interests of
> authors have to be balanced against the interest of society, which isn't as
> radical as some Pirates would like it to be but can with no stretch of the
> imagination be labelled an "unpirately" opinion.
>
> And now some personal history on Fedor and his role in the PPRU: he was an
> active member of our forum several months ago, and his views on several
> copyright topics didn't coincide with the majority's opinion. As he realized
> that his ideas wouldn't be incorporated into the PPRU's position, he called
> the rest of us "traitors to the Pirate idea", disregarding my argument that
> from his perspective many Pirate Parties have to be labelled "traitors", for
> the notion of a balance of interests between society and authors (one of the
> main ideas he was opposed to) is present in many pirate documents.
> After that he put quite some energy into sabotaging the consolidation of
> the Russian pirate movement and became an advocate of an absolutely
> unorganized Pirate Party without unified goals so that his views would be
> granted an equally official status as those expressed by the majority in the
> movement. He also declined an invitation to join the Party's temporary
> council and founding committee, as this would require deanonimization.
> Subsequently he started spreading accusations against the newly formed party
> an me personally, first on Russian website (where they didn't earn much
> reaction as everybody could check out the positions he was referring to for
> themselves) and now here at the PPI's ML, where he abuses the fact that most
> subscribers don't speak Russian (at that point I would like to thank Gregory
> Engels for providing a correct translation of the document Fedor has been
> falsely referring to).
>
> I suppose that (as has been the case many times on the PPRU forum) we'll be
> witnessing quite a lot of flame from Fedor on this ML, but I have neither
> the time nor the will to enter into discussion with him for the umteenth
> time, as it will be fruitless anyway and we currently have on our hands a
> crisis in connection with the shutting-down of Russia's largest torrent
> tracker, so I have work to do. The Russian-speaking members are welcome to
> visit our website and forum. Regarding the PPRU's positions, I'm available
> for any kind of direct questions which do not come from Fedor, or you may
> ask our European Press Secretary Boris Turovskiy (tourovski at gmail.com)
> who's also a member of the German Pirate Party and reads this ML.
>
> Best regards,
> Stanislav Shakirov,
> Leader - PPRU
>
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