[pp.int.general] PPI statutes task force

[Daniel Mietchen]

Hello together,

I just logged in to
http://mypirates.net/
but couldn't find any statutes draft, nor a page listing them.
Any hints?

Thanks,

Daniel

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Rackham <denis.germain at partipirate.org> wrote:
> Since the conference and the talk "higher up" are set to coordinate some, not all actions and positions, and that the aim of the PPi is not to be the PP of all PP, but a place for all PPs to decide fast, and talk effectively over issues, I really don't see the point of all this noise.
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> We're talking about a sort of federation of the PPs, not of their members. Let's keep things small and clean and transparent, and especially effectively working.
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> It doesn't mean the members of each PP can't talk about the resolutions and voice their opinion, but at some time we need something that WORK, NOW, and FAST. Plus, as an ex-designer, I really like KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid), what a strange option to go for KIOD (Keep It Over-bloated and Dumb)?
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> It doesn't mean we can't make one day a pure direct democracy in a pure grassroots way, but for now:
> - do we have the resources, really? no
> - can we have a generous portion of the members of all PPs to vote? no (and don't start me on electronic votes…)
> - are we ok with a situation where the decision would be won by the Se and De members all the time? no (sorry boy and girls, it's about all of us, not only the ones that are comfortable now and we need the voice of everyone, not only the big guys.)
> - Or do we prefer a state representation? yes, I really don't like the idea each country would have the weight of all it's members. It's Greenpeace all over again, and it's certainly not democratic (sorry to destroy some illusions along the way).
> - Are you all so distrustful of delegates you could send? If so, it tells more about the frailness of peculiar PPs, than about the opinion you share of the structure to be.
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> We need delegates, we need decisions, we need coordination. It's not dictatorship, it's working together on common issues, not all the issues everyone has in his country. ACTA is the same issue for all, The EU regulations are issues for a lot of us, but not all. We need a place to share and work together on issues we all or some of us are facing.
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> We need talks, at the higher level, and we need grassroots talks too. It has never been impossible to do both, but if you don't want to be paralyzed, you have to compromise on the amount of discussions you are to keep grassroots, for the sake of the movement. If things are planned and prepared properly, there can be enough grassroots blah to have enlightened enough delegates (who will blah too) who can vote in conscience between what members want, and what is the right solution for all PPs that are concerned.
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> Representative democracy is only a problem when delegates lose grassroots contact and never have to be accounted for their job.
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> Now, let's talk of the statuses to be constructive and shut down that noise.
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> Denis Germain (sorry for the memo…)
> partipirate.org board of directors - Île-de-France coordinator
> Signatures are so passé…
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