[pp.int.general] Deportations of Latin Americans in Europe

[Justus Römeth]

Hey Boris

I live in Cracow at the moment, and lived in Prague for a semester last 
year. I spoke to quite a few people who are afraid that many of their 
specialists will leave for Germany (doctors especially) as soon as 
Schengen allows it for them without restrictions on working permits 
(spring next year), and that could cause more problems to their 
economies than to ours (in the short run, if their economy/society is in 
trouble so are we automatically obviously).  12.11.10 21:32, Boris 
Turovskiy wrote:
>   Hi Justus,
>> Well, you could make social security depend on which passport you hold
>> + in which country you paid your taxes/social security benefits (isn't
>> that how it works in Europe anyways?).
> That would be most logical, however, when talking about immigration it
> just turns an "outer" barrier (=border checks) into an "inner" one (=who
> is granted citizenship?).
>

Well, we will see that soon, with the restrictions on working permits 
for people from Eastern Central Europe soon being in exactly that 
situation: Being allowed to work in Germany and therefore having a 
chance of earning their right to participate in our social security 
system. Obviously, for that to work for, say, South Americans we'd not 
only have to allow them the right of unrestricted movement here, but 
also make obtaining working permits, maybe even those for 
non-specialised labour, easier.

>> Plus, I talked about a utopian future where most countries / societies
>> don't have huge problems with poverty, not tomorrow.
> OK then:)
>
>> And I don't think that immigrants from South American are the real
>> problem you talked about, not even on the Iberian peninsula. Or would
>> you say that Bulgaria and Romania are significantly more developed
>> than Argentina, Chile or Uruguay?
> Nope, and the EU expansion accompanied my all the intra-community "free
> movement" laws is a pain in the backside of the more developed countries
> for a reason: while the "freedom of movement" is ensured by European
> law, the local differences both in economical development and in
> legislation (most importantly, labor legislation) is not synchronized,
> which leads to enormous arbitrage opportunities.
>

But we had/have similair differences within Germany and are fine, as a 
whole. Or would you advocate 'granting' Eastern Germany independence 
again? There's a reason Walloons don't wanna let Flanders go, and don't 
you think that in the end it could benefit everyone if the differences 
within Europe development-wise would become smaller? The only way we 
know how to do that is integration, so what if that causes a decade or 
so of economic pain? I mean old Polish people won't be able to just go 
to Germany and get Hartz 4 or other stuff, they will have to work here 
first (and will have to be 'young'), which is actually what we need, 
economically speaking.

regards
Justus

> Best,
> Boris
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