[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

[Marcus Kesler]

And that is pretty much what we do. You might call it bullshit, and if
you are part of a Pirate Party in a country that does not have such
stupid regulations I congratulate and envy you.

But the fact is this: Support criminal activity in the United States as
a political party, and you are no longer a political party. No way
around that, that is a simple reality of the political rules in this
country.

USPP lives with that reality.
Pirate Party of Oklahoma lives with that reality.

We cannot condone any criminal activity, no matter how small.
We cannot condone civil disobedience, no matter how stupid the rules
that prohibit them.

The Pirate Party of Oklahoma, and I assume the United States Pirate
Party, is not asking for the blessing of the PPI for our activities such
as issuing that letter. At times we have to release statements like that
to make it very clear that we are operating on the right side of the
law, even if that law is stupid and in our opinion wrong. It's not about
pissing off Anon, or PPI, or anybody else; it's about being able to
continue operation as a political party.

Marcus Kesler
Pirate Party of Oklahoma

On 11/23/2010 4:45 PM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
> This argument is bullshit.
> 
> If PP-US is gonna loose the political party status because they don't
> condemn a crime, they will be condemning crimes 24x7.
> 
> 
> Al 23/11/10 21:45, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
>> On 23.11.10 16:04, Gabriel Serrano wrote:
>>> I don't understand why UK-PP and USA-Oklahoma-PP keep asking
>>> Anonymous to stop Ddos. Did any other Party in any country do the
>>> same? Why should we have any influence on Anonymous?
>> As far as I understand it it is because the PPUS wants to make clear
>> that they don't have anything to do with illegal activities.
>> We should just accept that the laws concerning parties (USPP could
>> lose the status of a political party were it to endorse illegal
>> activities) as well as the whole attitude the respective societies
>> have towards hackers are different in the Anglician world compared to
>> Central and Southern Europe. (The CCC as an association by and mainly
>> for hackers is respected as a source of knowledge and expertese by the
>> conservative German government; the EFF for example, which has nothing
>> to do with hackers, could only dream of such a position.)
>> In the end it's a PR stunt by the pirate parties involved to address
>> domestic problems of legitimacy and legality, and should be handled as
>> such. It should be made clear that neither the PPI nor many respective
>> PPs don't share that opinion, and that's it.
>> Cheers
>> -J
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