[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback
choms at botmania.net
Wed Nov 24 20:43:54 CET 2010
Ok, so your argument is, it doesn't care what anyone thinks, only matters US legislation, isn't it?
In that case, I'll apply it on both ways... you can ONLY condemn people from US who participle on Payback... Payback is international, so it doesn't need to comply US laws, so, you cannot extend your letter to all Payback, only to US participants.
Same for UK... all participants for another parts of the world are exempt of you letter because "it doesn't care what you think, only matters their respective legislation"
Side A or side B, you are doing it wrong.
No valid excuse.
El 24/11/2010, a las 20:10, Andrew Norton escribió:
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> On 11/24/2010 1:44 PM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>> Did you spoke about river poisoning? so, you are in favour of polluting!
> If it's done in the name of one of our goals, yes.
>> Did you spoke against EVERY murder? so you support it!
> We've spoken out against every murder that came with a claim that it
> done to further a purpose that matches one of the party aims.
>> As you can see, I can't trust you.
> It's ok, We understand. You're stuck making strawmen arguments, because
> thats about all you have left. I realise that you've only been going a
> few months (by your own admission), so when you get some more experience
> you'll understand. (Like one or two others, I was with another party
> previously, I've worked on campaigns with the Liberals, and the
> Conservatives in the UK, and the Libertarians in the US, before starting
> with the Pirate Party US in 2006. 12 years of political experience. 12
> years of dealing with the press, seeing how they react and how you
> should best react to them.
> Stomp your feet, claim that because its good for you in your little
> corner, we should all be embracing it, even though it's bad for everyone
> else. Is your PP so hard off that you need other party's to
> fundamentally compromise themselves, so that you can look good to a
> group of people that really don't give a damn about you, and are
> 'looking for the lulz'
> Our integrity, our purpose are not so easily given up (well, with one
> exception), as, apparently, yours are. In fact, your basic inability to
> understand 'this is the way things are here' ASTOUNDS me. I would never
> have thought there would be such flat-out ignorance here. In these
> countries, that's the way it is. I'm very happy you've got a nice easy
> system to work in, with few restrictions, but a harder one might make
> you actually think before you open your mouth, or click 'reply'.
> Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would dare trust someone that has had 'US
> Politics are different from Spanish Politics' drummed into them for
> what, 4 days now, and still doesn't get it. After 4 days of telling
> someone something simple, and self-evident, if they haven't got it, I
> wouldn't trust them to cross the road alone.
> No matter what stupid strawmen arguments you make, no matter how many
> times you argue 'but it's legal here', there remains one thing you fail
> to grasp. Your opinion means nothing. If the IRS decides to pull our
> status (effectively killing the party) no-one there gives a shit that
> some ignorant spaniard think's the actions were cool. When lobby groups
> start pressing legislators to ignore us and our calls because we're
> 'criminals', do you think anyone gives a damn that the actions were
> legal in Spain? When there are negative press reports condemning the
> entire movement in the public's eyes, do you think an infographic saying
> 'But Kenneth Peiruza supports the attacks' will do anything?
> You may be a big fish in your lake, but we're not even a body of water
> here, we're a salt desert, might have been a lake once, but not any more
> (and you have NO idea how accurate that metaphor is). Fish die here,
> very quickly, because they don't know how to survive, and it doesn't
> matter HOW big you are, it's the same result.
> Swim back to your pond, tend to your shoals, and stop telling us we need
> to swim, because we can't swim here, no matter how much we might want
> to. We have to move in a completely different way, because that's the
> reality of the environment. Accept it, move on.
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