[pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space, baloon fork.

Tue Oct 19 23:43:37 CEST 2010

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Johan Karlsson <johan at landslide.nu> wrote:
>> Input needed on communications. Is it difficult to
>> get comms working on altitudes?
>
> At least its impossible to use any sort of mobile phone network. They are
> designed to transmit things sideways - not up or down. So there is no signal
> at all if you get higher up than a couple of hundred meters.
>
> And there will be a similar problem with any form of communication device
> youll put on it. Unless you want to umph out several hundred watts of signal
> you will need to limit to where the signal is sent to either straight
> sideways or directly down.
> You will also need to pick a form of communication where the one youre
> communicating with has enough power to get the signal back to the balloon.
> (Its possible to set up a WLAN and add an (illegal) amplifier to it to make
> the signal reach the ground. But unless you got a very large (and heavy)
> antenna to receive the signal from your users it wont reach the balloon.
>
> Cheers
> Johan

Thanx for the input, but I'm sure there are options.... Bring em!

>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > On 10/19/2010 2:23 PM, Erik Lönroth wrote:
>> >> This is the continuation of the discussions about launching a "vessel"
>> >> of some sort.
>> >>
>> >> The old subject was: "File Sharing in Space"
>> >>
>> >> That thread has drifted somewhat, so I would like to fork it.
>> >>
>> >> First of all, I love that alot of people are engaged in the discussion
>> >> and pushing in alot of "how" and "what" etc. BUT, since its way to
>> >> difficult for me at the present to coordinate and even to digest alot
>> >> of it, I have to stick with a reasonable plan that I can manage at
>> >> present. There has been alot of twists on this in the previous
>> >> discussion: "A boat", "A rocket", "A zeppeline" and I think that
>> >> Andrew Norton proposed a bunch of other stuff. All of those are
>> >> offcourse super-cool, but for me - all of them too difficult to manage
>> >> as a project. I am not competent enough for such a project yet as I
>> >> lack the knowledge about too many things about it. The future of this
>> >> project, version 2 if you like, might go further...
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well, I proposed a boat initially.My thoughts are ths
>> >
>> > The vehicle (the balloon) and the payload (the 'site') are two seperate
>> > things. The balloon system is best tested with just weights first (so if
>> > it all goes bad, we've lost some weights, not expensive electronics)
>> > while the site side can be tested in an easily accessible environment
>> > that has similar challenges, just like a boat.
>> >
>> > I wasn't giving it as an aim, most as an intermediate testbed step for
>> > the site-side, which also has historical parallels.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I like the idea of testing the "site" separate, perhaps on a boat....
>> Is this something you have the know-how on?
>>
>> In that case, I think that by just syncing on what the contraints will
>> be - its probably just a matter of getting things done on it.
>>
>> I'll have some preliminary discussions over a coffe with a friend here
>> in Sweden and I think we can start up some basic things.
>>
>> Input needed on communications. Is it difficult to get comms working
>> on altitudes?
>>
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> >
>> >> So:
>> >>
>> >> My plan will be to launch a baloon with a simple file sharing site
>> >> into the air. Make it stay up there as long as possible and learn from
>> >> it. Grow the ambitions if it is possible to succeed with them.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> THE PLAN
>> >> ----------------
>> >> Basically - its a baloon as a first step.
>> >>
>> >> A baloon with a "webserver"/"file sharing site" proposes some separate
>> >> problems:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Make a baloon stay up "long" in the air. High enough to be
>> >> annoying, low enough to allow various "data traffic".
>> >> 2. Define a MINIMUM of devices that needs to go up with it, that....
>> >> 3. A) Can be powered by a "POWER SOURCE".
>> >>     B) Survives very cold climates and tough winds.
>> >>     C) Can't be "hacked".
>> >>     D) Provides a "pirate-like service" that can be accessed somehow
>> >> from ground level.
>> >> 4. In best case - can be recovered.
>> >>
>> >> All problems related to "formalities" (laws, regulations, licenses
>> >> etc.) are for now ignored since this is not even close to a practical
>> >> reality yet.
>> >>
>> >> There was a reporter from Forbes that was interested in talking to me
>> >> about this project. So if anyone wants to say hello to media - this
>> >> your chance. Cheers Forbes, I hope you read this! Hope to talk to you
>> >> soon.
>> >>
>> >> So - if you want to help out right away. I could use a wiki to be able
>> >> to discuss the various sub-problems and a emailing list that can be
>> >> used to discuss all of the topics that will arise.
>> >>
>> >> In the future, a fund-raising page can be thought of. Getting money in
>> >> return for publicity to fund more fancy stuff in the future. Start
>> >> with a baloon - end up in space. Who knows.
>> >>
>> >> /Erik
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