[pp.int.general] USPP Status

[David Arcos]

I though we were "from the internets" :-p

To learn to grow big potatoes, you need to grow small potatoes first.


On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Ray Jenson <ray.jenson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Antonio,****
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> Money also buys things like web sites, email contacts, and transportation
> (an enormous problem here in Utah, since the city I live in is about the
> physical size of Mauritius, with about three times the people to ignore me).
> To get the message to the right people requires money, and I don’t mean
> small amounts, as we must also find them and be visible. The people here
> want to see the idea that we might actually stand a chance to get a
> politician into office before they’ll even think about supporting any
> political party. And that requires money, too.****
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> Support of the elites would be nice, but it won’t happen because they’re
> too invested in a system which continues to break down. Their investment
> isn’t necessarily financial, either.****
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> I was the Operations Officer and tried to establish a structure, but
> because people here decided it wasn’t to their liking they broke it apart.
> And to file the paperwork… you guessed it, money!****
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> Money oils the mechanisms in the USA, much more than it does elsewhere. We
> can’t operate without it, period. The culture here won’t allow it. And until
> it’s broken at the root, the machine of the MAFIAA continues to churn out
> propaganda and chips away at the local support—most of whom really don’t
> know any better, but would be great if we could just reach them. We don’t
> need a fancy TV advertising campaign; we just need the capacity to break
> into view for a while… the pirates in the USA are all apparently on
> submarines.****
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> Currency is required for any of this to happen in the USA, period. Without
> it, we’re all talk and no action. It’s a little like being a fly stuck to
> flypaper: we make lots of noise, but we’re not going anywhere.****
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> So, to say we don’t need money is like saying we don’t need dirt to grow
> potatoes. While it’s technically true, the only results are small potatoes.
> ****
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> *From:* pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net [mailto:
> pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net] *On Behalf Of *Antonio
> Garcia
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:08 AM
>
> *To:* pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> *Subject:* Re: [pp.int.general] USPP Status****
>
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> You only need one thing, Ray... the people. They are already revolting
> world-wide... the only thing they lack is a clear direction towards which to
> march... in search of an applicable solution.****
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> The only thing money enables you to do is to buy people, their brains
> and/or their hands.****
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> With the right discourse... we should have the support of the right people
> (that is, all people but the different elites)... and be able of thinking
> about solutions only involving money marginally.****
>
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> If the usual bastards keep printing it at the rates they have been
> lately... THEY already know it will only be paper too rude to service their
> buttocks with sooner or later. Time for us to aknowledge that too... and
> look for the proper alternatives. NO matter how much money they print... the
> only thing that gives them value... IS THE FEW BILLS WE STILL INSIST IN
> KEEPING IN OUR POCKETS. ****
>
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> We are moving way too slowly... either because we lack an operational
> structure, or operational people, or both.****
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> > From: ray.jenson at gmail.com
> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:48:35 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] USPP Status
> >
> > Thank you, Antonio, for your thoughtful reply.
> >
> > There are two things we need for the PP to work: dedicated volunteers who
> > aren't afraid of the labels which others will place on them for helping
> this
> > effort, and money to fund our marketing and other operations. The USA is
> a
> > big place, and so lots more money would be needed; but the fact of money
> > being needed at all is due to the large amount of capital used for
> > opposition.
> >
> > I calculated (just from what I could see) that running one newspaper
> article
> > costs them about US$180 000 to distribute. So far, that put their tally
> in
> > the past 5 years at around $180 million (assuming that is correct--about
> > 1000 articles over the past 5 years through Murdoch's various mass-media
> > press outlets). The price to combat it with truth and facts on our side
> is
> > less than 1% of their costs, but that still put it at almost US$2 million
> > over the past 5 years. That's US$500 000 per year.
> >
> > These articles are various articles about the copyright regime's benefit
> to
> > others, or how their poor profit margins are wasting away to nothing
> (only
> > US$2 billion in profits instead of US$6 billion), or how awful it is that
> > the US Department of Justice never gets involved in this act which costs
> > lives... and other such propaganda which serves only to strengthen the
> > perception that copyright should reign supreme over the lives of
> citizens.
> >
> > But raising that kind of money is a serious problem: many of us are still
> > tempted by large amounts of money, addicted to the almighty currency
> note,
> > and none of us really has independent wealth to front such a bill.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net
> > [mailto:pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net] On Behalf
> Of
> > Antonio Garcia
> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:15 AM
> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] USPP Status
> >
> > That is SADLY not only the situation in the USA... but almost everywhere.
> >
> > To end that intolerable situation, we need to reassess it objectively,
> > analyse it thoroughly... and present a global viewpoint to the peoples.
> >
> > The problem is... anybody who has cared to do that job... will find
> himself
> > in a tiny minority position trying to get it through to the others that
> have
> > not even started wondering about what really goes wrong in this odd world
> we
> > shape every day all of us together.
> >
> > All our troubles... are in our minds... some of them crazier and more
> > delusional than other. Nobody can find solutions for a problem whose
> > premises he got wrong.
> >
> > We do not have to cheat the system... we just have to aknowledge the
> system
> > cheats us... and pull all our guts together to do something about it.
> >
> > People are all fed up, not knowing what to do inside of this global and
> > complex situation we build all together... and the first who really comes
> > with an objective analysis of the situation and a blueprint for a
> workable
> > evolution... gets it all.
> >
> > I've been pushing to get "humanism" adopted as the true ideology of the
> > Pirate Parties... because our geek discourse is yet a limited subset of
> > it... the one we felt most confortable with when we used the networks to
> > reach far out and find each other... scattered far away as we were. It is
> > time to aknowledge that... and be who we really are, completely.
> >
> > Then, we will take off as if we owned rocket science ;) .
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: ray.jenson at gmail.com
> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:08:52 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] USPP Status
> > The issue in the USA is that we cannot reconcile truth with
> politics--where
> > the lobbies control our Congress and maintain their undue influence, we
> > remain robbed of our ability to mount anything remotely resembling a
> > defense, counter-offensive, or even to garner attention. The MAFIAA still
> > holds sway over our lawmakers here, and undue influence in other parts of
> > the world as well. Until that intolerable condition ends, we might as
> well
> > be shouting "death to the pigs" at a police station. We are little more
> than
> > targets which everyone tries desperately to ignore.
> >
> > In Sweden, the issue was foreign influence over domestic governments; in
> the
> > USA, we have no such trigger. We lack solid countering on every front but
> > the ones that truly count, and these are what Murdoch's media hounds work
> > hard to suppress. We don't live in a day or age where truth counts. We
> live
> > in a time where profit overrules the rights of ordinary citizens, and
> those
> > who profit work hard to prevent anything toppling it.
> >
> > Until we can have a solid platform that the common person can actually
> get
> > behind, no party in the USA can operate successfully. And until that
> happens
> > (which hasn't really occurred in 5 years), no party, whether centralized
> or
> > not, will really take off.
> >
> > The Utah PP was crushed in 2007 because the Libertarians took our
> signatures
> > and beat us to the post--Libertarians, funded by corporate interests and
> > backed by special interest funding. It took cheating the system for them
> to
> > gain a foothold, and yet people trust them as a political party to end
> the
> > very things they used to push past us. They cheated, period. It was a
> dirty
> > move, inspired by media hype about the PP-Utah being formed.
> >
> > The time we live in is not one which favors art, unless it comes in the
> form
> > of mass-produced images on special pieces of paper--we call it currency.
> >
> > We need a fundraiser. I have ideas, and anyone who wants them is welcome
> to
> > them. But I don't know enough about fundraising to coordinate
> everything...
> > I would need help. And when I've asked for it in the past, it has been
> > lacking in the PPUS, USPP, and every other branch of the PP that I've
> > appealed to.
> >
> > In short, when we actually find ourselves capable to move, only then can
> the
> > PP flourish anywhere in the US.
> >
> > But seriously: let's make sure we stand firm, and don't cheat the system
> the
> > way the others have done. It will hurt us more certainly than any other
> act.
> >
> >
> > *Gets down off of soapbox.*
> >
> > -Ray Jenson, former PPUS Operations Officer
> > Ray.Jenson at gmail.com
> >
> > P.S., I probably pissed some people off... please don't spam me with
> > notifications about this.
> >
> >
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