[pp.int.general] PPI GA Prague / Video Conference System for remote delegates

[Choms]

dude, I'm not telling you to not set up the desired system (I'm cool with
it), I'm just suggesting that we could set up various possibilities so
people can choose the one their want (freedom of choice and more ways of
participation)

And as I said, it's only my opinion, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but
I thought all ideas would be welcome
El 29/12/2011 12:55, "Rok Andrée" <rok.andree at piratskastranka.net> escribió:

> Wolfgang you are supported by most, dont let their unwillingness to enter
> this winnable fight deter you.
>
> @Choms & others: You seem not to understand that this is not something
> "that would be cool if it kinda worked, we dont really care".
> The ability of delegates to participate fully and easily and to feel as if
> they are there in person is of utmost importance. It could decide the
> future.
>
> Wolfgang do you think there would be a way for the streamed delegates to
> be able to talk to onsite participantes in a less official manner.(like
> between breaks etc) To enable them to "mingle" and network like the rest.
> Maby a few screens at the back of the room with mic and cam where the
> stream from that delegate is shown and anyone can aproach and talk directly
> with out the need to include everybody else.
>
> Lp
> Rok Andrée
> Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party
>
>
>
> On 29 December 2011 13:41, Wolfgang Preiss <w.preiss at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>>  You are welcome to set it up, invest in the propper hardware,  design a
>> website, create all the proper scripts and travel to all the places where
>> somethig is to stream, and explain people why they need to download ogg
>> codecs and why their maybe older IE does not play the stream.
>>
>> When can we expect your services?
>>
>>
>> Am 29.12.2011 13:38, schrieb Choms:
>>
>> Mh, why don't just stream via OGG on a html5 page for output (so anybody
>> can see it without flash), then for income let people to use various
>> communication methods (IRC for those who don't want flash, and actual
>> system for those who want to speak with audio + video)? I think is better
>> to mount various possibilities than only one who includes everybody (imho)
>>
>> 2011/12/29 Wolfgang Preiss <w.preiss at gmx.de>
>>
>>> Am 29.12.2011 12:16, schrieb Maxime Rouquet:
>>>
>>>  Not exactly. Here on this list you will always be told ways to do
>>>> better ;). Whether what you do is right or wrong depends of the people, but
>>>> any improvement is a good thing and a step in the right direction.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  No actually you want me to give up working solutions on either no or
>>> worse solution as long your ideology is being fullfilled, no matter how
>>> successful working solutions are. You want me to fulfill your ideology. No,
>>> Sir, I won't become your or Mr Stallmans tool of extremist ideology.
>>>
>>>
>>>  At the moment I am out of options
>>>>>
>>>> Did you check at Ekiga Richard Stallman talked to you about ? It is free
>>>> software, is available on both GNU/Linux and Microsoft Windows, and is
>>>> compatible with at least the Theora video codec.
>>>>
>>>  This is a one to one solution, no conference possible
>>>
>>>  Richard Stallman is not telling you to drop political transparency, he
>>>> is asking you to find a way to reach it using free software. We have at
>>>> least 4 months to look for ways to achieve both, before having to choose
>>>> between different kind of concessions.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Wrong. Let me quote Mr Stallman:
>>>
>>>
>>>  What alternative is there?  The most obvious alternative is -- no
>>>> streaming.  Make recordings, and post them later in Ogg formats or
>>>> Webm.  Chat using IRC.  All this is easy to do.  So don't I have not
>>>> offered you an alternative.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Clear statement - either streaming based on free (=approved by
>>> stallman) software, or no streaming. This is clearly sacrificing
>>> transparency to ideology.
>>>
>>> As I said. I am out of opinions, and tired for being bashed. I will
>>> discuss this matter with PPI officials and GA organisators. And if "free
>>> software" is a must, maybe we should follow Stallmans suggestion and give
>>> up whatever pirate work as long there is no "free software" tool.
>>>
>>> Besides: why isn't there anyone offering doing all the work with free
>>> software? why are there only people demanding to use free software, without
>>> naming a product to use?
>>>
>>> Wolfgang
>>>
>>>
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