[pp.int.general] 15th Octobre -> Occupy Together

[Nicolás Reynolds]

El 09/10/11 03:18, Aleksandar Blagojević dijo:
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, lilo <al3lilo at autistici.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 09/10/2011 04:51, Aza wrote:
> > > well this is no "classic" revolution, from what i've seen it's a general
> > > reject of the capitalistic view of the world, it even breaks country
> > > barriers, i think pirate parties are intimately related with this
> > movement.
> > > horizontal, distributed, self-regulating, cooperative, all those happy
> > words
> > > and pirates.
> >
> > +1
> >
> 
> Well if you can not see the difference between pragmatism of pirate movement
> and camping on the wall street, let me point out the core things.
> 
> *The campers *of occupy wallstreet by the food in order to survive that
> camping - and pay tax on that. They also buy sleeping bags - and pay tax,
> wet tissues for personal hygiene - tax on that too. And so on...
> So, we practically have a situation where so called "protesters" "disobey"
> and have their words out *while* in the exact same time feed the troll. See?
> 
> The real revolution today would only be owning the integrity back.
> Would NYT or BBC report on massive people village fallback in order not to
> participate in the rotten system anymore? Well, no. But, in that point msm
> reporting would be *completely irrelevant. * That would be an overkill
> situation. Self-sustainable and open environment of the open and free people
> that have decided not to participate in the system. (or from the other point
> of view - they decided not to give away their own time and energy while
> trying to change the falling system)
> 
> see my point?
> 
> But again, we should not negate the reality and just run away into our
> isolated world. We should hack the world and open the possibilities for
> society to take back the "ownership" on their lives. By implementing open
> source platforms in all aspects of life. Out-sourcing the work, issues,
> ideas... That's what is already changing the world. All we have to do is
> just to safeguard the course. Not to feed our own demise.
> 
> thanx for reading/debating

While I generally agree with the "pragmatism" drafted by you and others, I also
think turning our backs on popular movements wouldn't do any better. (Even less
embracing political structures as they are...)

IMO, PPs should join the movement if they want to be heard. 


Greetings from a PPAr member.

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