[pp.int.general] Hervé Falciani likely to be extradited to Switzerland

[Daniel Riaño]

well, that's the point: Hervé Falciani didn't take data from ordinary
persons who had their savings with the Swiss, and he didn't try to
blackmail people. He took away data from very rich people,
businesspeople and politicians who were either evading large sums of
money (to avoid taxes or to avoid having to explain were did it come
from) or washing dirty money.

2012/8/12 Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Daniel Riaño <danielrr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, this thread is becoming more and more interesting (but lets keep
>> mother Theresa, the nazis and the Jews out of this thread, interesting
>> as they all are in their own right; sorry if I inadvertently
>> introduced the former as a focus on this absolutely unconnected
>> thread)
>>
>> We have this guy, Hervé Falciani, a computer specialist who used to
>> work for the HSBC (one of the largest banks in the world), and
>> specifically at its branch in Geneva, from 2001 to 2008. From 2007 to
>> 2007 he subtracted data about c. 24,000 bank customers and business
>> (spread along c. 1300.000 computer files). Most of them were large (or
>> very large) fortunes who had subtracted large or very large amounts of
>> money to they respective fisco bureaus; some of them as part of the
>> money washing procedure
>> (http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/hsbclavoensinaloa100millonesdedolares-1337523.html),
>> others just to keep all of their money, without the need to share it
>> with their fellow citizens via taxes, etc.
>>
>> Apparently he tried first to sell all this information to various
>> banks, secret service agencies, etc, while he was still working for
>> the HSBC, without success. For years he tried and tried, until his
>> activities at the bank were discovered, and he flew to France (he has
>> French and Italian nationality). The Swiss police asked the French for
>> his detention, but the later declined, and they took hold of the
>> servers instead & with the help of Falciani shared the relevant data
>> with the police and economic bureaus from other countries who
>> expressed the wish to have this information. All this data allowed the
>> authorities in Spain, France, Italy and other countries to recover
>> several hundred millions in unpaid taxes (certain cases were
>> notorious, as the 200 millions evaded by relatives of Emilio Botin,
>> the president of Banco Santander)
>>
>> He was arrested in Spain July 1, and he is awaiting extradition to
>> Switzerland, where he faces an accusation that coul end in a 7 year
>> imprisonment sentence.
>
> I think the question here is if we are against the secrecy of bank
> accounts - and I think that as a univesal rule this is unacceptable.
> Then we need to think what are the reasonable principles that can take
> precendence over that rule.  We have here the  relatives of Emilio
> Botin - and everyone feels good that they were cought - because he is
> quite an evil figure - but what if this was just an oridinary guy?
>
> Another aspect of this is the vigilant justice way of doing things -
> and this brings in the question that I've always wanted to ask - what
> is/are the opinion(s) in the pirate movement on the Anonymous.
>
> Cheers,
> Zbigniew
>
> --
> Zbigniew Lukasiak
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