[pp.int.general] Youtube Proxies Germany

[Andrew Norton]

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On 8/26/2012 12:50 PM, Pirat at LennStar.de wrote:
> What should the proxies do?
> 
> As a german, the normal way to do is to take an non-german proxy if you
> want to see something - and why would somebody outside germany want to
> see thousands of stupid "GEMA has not given the rights" messages? (Like
> in: The company of my favourite japanse singer has put a promotion video
> on youtube and because youtube and GEMA cannot decide on a price, I
> cannot see the PR-video in Germany)

I believe it was intended as a proxy FOR Germans, BY the German party.
Not that the exit node was to be in Germany.

I brought up this issue of licensing and the over-restrictive attitude
in Germany with GEMA in a UK Intellectual Property Office consultation
on extended Collective licensing. It was right after I'd given SABEM a
bit of a kick.
"Of course, the prize for showing how badly Collection Societies work
has to go to GEMA, a Germany agency. Sony’s CEO of international
business, Edgar Berger gave an interview recently where he noted that
GEMA’s greed was costing them millions in YouTube licensing alone. Sony
artists are blocked in Germany, and the reason, according to Berger is
“It’s not because of us. You must direct this question to the German
collecting agency GEMA; they licensed the copyright very restrictively.”
(http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/webwelt/article13881492/Das-Internet-muss-frei-sein-nicht-umsonst.html)
GEMA has even blocked noted copyright scholar Lawrence Lessig’s recent
TEDtalks video “How the law is strangling creativity” in Germany – how’s
that for irony?(https://twitter.com/#!/lessig/status/180351028854661121)"

The UK IPO redacted it (along with a fair bit more -
http://www.ktetch.co.uk/2012/07/uk-ipo-redacts-responses-critical-of.html)
because on 'legal advice' it may be 'defamatory', and the UK IPO doesn't
want to have to defend a libel suit. And despite more than a month of
trying to deal with it
(http://www.ktetch.co.uk/2012/08/the-ipo-redaction-saga-continues.html),
nothing's happened yet.

Gotta love it, eh?

Andrew

> 
> 
> LennStar
> 
> Am 26.08.2012 18:15, schrieb Pat Maechler aka Valio:
>> Stupid question probably as I'm not from Germany, but,
>>
>> I just wondered: Has the Pirate Party Germany or any partnering
>> organisation ever considered the possibilies of providing
>> Youtube-Proxies in Germany? If not so, why not? If so, where is the case
>> for making it a stupid idea? Is there doubt in feasibility? Or has kind
>> of case (legal implications, etc) already been decided? or is itt not in
>> our interest to have it decided soon?
>>
>> This is no critique whatsoever on German pirates (or similar). I just
>> wondered, why I don't know about any such discussion...
>>
>> regards
>> -pat
>>
>>
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