[pp.int.general] European citizens' Initiative - ID requirement & data retention
weyerjerry at gmail.com
Tue Jan 10 10:13:59 CET 2012
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Pat Mächler <
patrick.maechler at pp-international.net> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Jerry Weyer <weyerjerry at gmail.com> wrote:
> > As an expat, if you don't have an ID (and it is necessary to provide an
> > number to sign a petition) you can still sign the one in your home
> > There is a possibility to sign online so that should work easily!
> No, you can't do that for certain and easily.
> 1. The member states provide the online systems (the EU just provides
> a FLOSS framework); they will be likely restricted to the current
> member state residents usually.
That's not true. The EU Commission provided the software:
member states only certify that the installation is correct, before the
signatures are collected, they don't provide any software.
Also if you don't live in north corea, "your" Internet can load foreign
websites, no? So if your first residence is abroad you go to the signature
collection website of your country and sign there (organizers should put
links to every country on the website).
We're currently setting up the software in Luxembourg for testing purposes
so you can all have a look soon.
> 2. Some states do provide an exception for non-resident national
> citizens (see part C of the regulation) given that you reported your
> current residency to your national authorities. However even then it's
> not for certain that they may provide an opportunity for non ID card
> holders in an online system.
We turning in circles here Pat. If expats need to provide an ID, that's not
good, but will not stop you from being able to sign the initiative.
The thing is: every EU citizen that has his residence in the EU can sign,
either with ID or without. And here we are turning in circles - coming back
to my idea for this mail: I asked you to get rid of the
ID requirement because it makes unnecessary problems and differences!
FYI planning for an ECI against data retention has started within German
NGOs at least (well and as far as I already got in Luxembourg ;) ). If you
are interested to help, please contact me! We need at least 7 Member
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