[pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 59, Issue 53

Pencho Parvanov p_parvanov at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 21 03:10:54 CET 2012 

Now at the aftermath of the "Black Day" I read things like:

"In light of recent events, I have decided to postpone Tuesday's vote on the PROTECT IP Act. There's no reason that legitimate issues raised about PROTECT IP can't be resolved. Counterfeiting & piracy cost 1000s of jobs yearly. Americans rightfully expect to be fairly compensated for their work. I'm optimistic that we can reach compromise on PROTECT IP in coming weeks,"

and:

"More time will pass with jobs lost and economies hurt by foreign criminals who are stealing American intellectual property, and selling it back to American consumers".


And I personally read it that way - all they /the pirates, the bad ones/ are foreign criminals /the stress is on the "foreign", but criminals according to which law btw?/, who steal from the /pure/ Americans. Lets aim our guns at somebody, who doesn't vote for the American president and the congress.


What do you think about that?





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Today's Topics:

   1. ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed Indefinitely]
      (Pat Maechler aka Valio)
   2. Re: ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed Indefinitely] (Jack Allnutt)
   3. Re: MegaUpload raided, shut down on request of US authorities
      (Christian Hufgard)
   4. Re: ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed Indefinitely] (Daniel)
   5. Re: ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed Indefinitely] (Justus R?meth)
   6. Re: ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed Indefinitely] (Daniel)
   7. Re: ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed Indefinitely] (Andy Halsall)
   8. Re: ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed Indefinitely] (Jack Allnutt)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:18:36 +0100
From: Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
    <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
Subject: [pp.int.general] ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed
    Indefinitely]
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AFAIK ACTA has not been signed yet by the EU, but it was announced and
backed by the Council of Ministers?
http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2011/december/council-of-ministers-backs-eu-signing-of-acta/

also no one ratified it by now AFAIK?

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Daniel <danielrr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, ACTA should be our top priority in Europe
>
> Daniel
>
> El 20/01/2012, a las 18:47, Justus R?meth <squig at dfpx.de> escribi?:
>
> Great. Now we need to put the spotlight on ACTA and other laws and treaties
> that do similair things to our freedom. I don't think we can afford to loose
> all of our momentum here!
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Daniel <danielrr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From Billboard
>>
>>
>> SOPA, PIPA Postponed Indefinitely
>> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Friday he will postpone a vote on
>> online piracy legislation he had scheduled for next week after a storm of
>> protest. Later Friday, the House of Representatives said it is postponing
>> its version of the bill, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA).
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:19:47 +0000
From: Jack Allnutt <m2ys4u at gmail.com>
To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed
    Indefinitely]
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On 20/01/2012 18:18, Pat Maechler aka Valio wrote:
> AFAIK ACTA has not been signed yet by the EU, but it was announced and
> backed by the Council of Ministers?
> http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2011/december/council-of-ministers-backs-eu-signing-of-acta/
> 
> also no one ratified it by now AFAIK?

It's due to be signed by the EU next week, on the 26th :(

-- Jack Allnutt



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:40:56 +0100
From: Christian Hufgard <pp at christian-hufgard.de>
To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] MegaUpload raided, shut down on request
    of US authorities
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On 20.01.2012 18:32, Aftermath wrote:
> http://gigaom.com/2012/01/19/megaupload-indictment/
> 
> some facts about megaupload

Really brave fighters for culture's freedom.

Christian


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:44:25 +0100
From: Daniel <danielrr2 at gmail.com>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
    <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed
    Indefinitely]
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And how is it that not a single PP has organized a significant demonstration against EUP signing ACTA?

Daniel

El 20/01/2012, a las 19:19, Jack Allnutt <m2ys4u at gmail.com> escribi?:

> On 20/01/2012 18:18, Pat Maechler aka Valio wrote:
>> AFAIK ACTA has not been signed yet by the EU, but it was announced and
>> backed by the Council of Ministers?
>> http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2011/december/council-of-ministers-backs-eu-signing-of-acta/
>> 
>> also no one ratified it by now AFAIK?
> 
> It's due to be signed by the EU next week, on the 26th :(
> 
> -- Jack Allnutt
> 
> ____________________________________________________
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:47:50 +0100
From: Justus R?meth <squig at dfpx.de>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
    <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed
    Indefinitely]
Message-ID:
    <CACWaH_DHcb5odK61wW_db3dtqgaf2doFmg-imdq-4jFvhmDJ1Q at mail.gmail.com>
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Would it be feasible to call for another black out day the day before? For
doing so we need to at least get Netzpolitik.org, bits of freedom, la
quadrature du net, ... on board, too, though.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Jack Allnutt <m2ys4u at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 20/01/2012 18:18, Pat Maechler aka Valio wrote:
> > AFAIK ACTA has not been signed yet by the EU, but it was announced and
> > backed by the Council of Ministers?
> >
> http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2011/december/council-of-ministers-backs-eu-signing-of-acta/
> >
> > also no one ratified it by now AFAIK?
>
> It's due to be signed by the EU next week, on the 26th :(
>
> -- Jack Allnutt
>
> ____________________________________________________
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> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:52:29 +0100
From: Daniel <danielrr2 at gmail.com>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
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Cc: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
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Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed
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The Americans at least wrote to their senators. Can't we flood with our protests "our" representatives mailboxes?

Daniel

El 20/01/2012, a las 19:18, Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch> escribi?:

> AFAIK ACTA has not been signed yet by the EU, but it was announced and
> backed by the Council of Ministers?
> http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2011/december/council-of-ministers-backs-eu-signing-of-acta/
> 
> also no one ratified it by now AFAIK?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Daniel <danielrr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, ACTA should be our top priority in Europe
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
>> El 20/01/2012, a las 18:47, Justus R?meth <squig at dfpx.de> escribi?:
>> 
>> Great. Now we need to put the spotlight on ACTA and other laws and treaties
>> that do similair things to our freedom. I don't think we can afford to loose
>> all of our momentum here!
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Daniel <danielrr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From Billboard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> SOPA, PIPA Postponed Indefinitely
>>> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Friday he will postpone a vote on
>>> online piracy legislation he had scheduled for next week after a storm of
>>> protest. Later Friday, the House of Representatives said it is postponing
>>> its version of the bill, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA).
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ____________________________________________________
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>> 
>> 
>> ____________________________________________________
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>> 
>> 
>> ____________________________________________________
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>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>> 
> ____________________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:52:34 +0000
From: Andy Halsall <a.halsall at pirateparty.org.uk>
To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk"
    <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] ACTA [was: SOPA, PIPA Postponed
    Indefinitely]
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On Friday 20 Jan 2012 18:44:25 Daniel wrote:
> And how is it that not a single PP has organized a significant
> demonstration against EUP signing ACTA?

Fatigue probably, ACTA has been dragging on for a long time. Maybe we should 
sort that out now as best we can and learn from it..?  We could also do with 
some semi-permanent mechanisms for collaboration.  Coming into it cold on the 
PPI side is hard.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> El 20/01/2012, a las 19:19, Jack Allnutt <m2ys4u at gmail.com> escribi?:
> > On 20/01/2012 18:18, Pat Maechler aka Valio wrote:
> >> AFAIK ACTA has not been signed yet by the EU, but it was announced and
> >> backed by the Council of Ministers?
> >> http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2011/december/council-of-ministers-ba
> >> cks-eu-signing-of-acta/
> >> 
> >> also no one ratified it by now AFAIK?
> > 
> > It's due to be signed by the EU next week, on the 26th :(
> > 
> > -- Jack Allnutt
> > 
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> 
> ____________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:53:30 +0000
From: Jack Allnutt <m2ys4u at gmail.com>
To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
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On 20/01/2012 18:47, Justus R?meth wrote:
> Would it be feasible to call for another black out day the day before?
> For doing so we need to at least get Netzpolitik.org, bits of freedom,
> la quadrature du net, ... on board, too, though.
> 

I think part of the reason the blackout was so effective is because it
was an unprecedented action, not to mention the support of enwiki,
Google, Reddit etc.

I don't think a similar blackout would work (not least because we
wouldn't be able to get the high-profile names involved) but we should
try and capitalise on the wave of anti-intellectual monopoly fervour
caused by SOPA and PIPA while it's still fresh in people's minds

-- Jack Allnutt



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