[pp.int.general] Other (no sot good) reaction to MU joint complaint campaign

[Andrew Norton]

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On 1/31/2012 1:52 PM, Christian Hufgard wrote:
> On 31.01.2012 19:06, Andrew Norton wrote:
>> Are the rapidshare directors in an easy extradition country? 
> 
> Is suiss a county without copyrights? If so, what's the matter with the
> Bern treaty?

EXTRADITION, not copyright. Two VERY different things.
In the UK we had 'the great train robbery' in the 60s. Most of them fled
to Brazil. Armed robbery is a crime there, yes, but some COULD NOT BE
EXTRADICTED, because of laws in Brazil.

If you can't extradite then there's no point spending the time on it. I
don't know swiss extradiction laws, maybe Denis can provide them.

> 
>> Had they
>> just announced a service that would severely undercut some of the music
>> industry's 'power',
> 
> Lol. Yeah, MegaBox would be a total killer for the music industry.

Considering they have a big name fronting it, with good ties to the
established industry, it could well be the straw that broke the camels
back (or the snowball that starts the avalanche if you prefer)

> 
>> has rapidshare been in the news a lot the previous
>> 2-3 weeks because of improper takedowns by a major player in the music
>> industry? Had rapidshare just managed to get endorsements from a bunch
>> of big-name American music stars, AND appointed one (and husband of
>> another) to be CEO?
> 
> And after this the FBI travelled back in time and started it's
> investigations.

I'm sure 'investigations' have been ongoing for some time, for all, at
least at a low level. The megasong was ouit on December 9, the grand
jury indictment was handed down Jan 5, That's a workable timetable in
reality.

> 
>> Did you forget that three of the top four positions in the US Department
>> of Justice are held by former record industry lawyers?
>>
>> There's a bit more to it all than you're making out.
>>
>>
>>>> If you are talking about _financial responsibility_, that is a
>>>> different question.  If the state chooses to handle the shutdown in a
>>>> way that unnecessarily harms innocent parties, I think the state
>>>> should be responsible for that much.
>>
>>> Well, maybe they do not see and innocent customer?
>>
>> But, that's the problem, they're proceeding from a presumption of guilt.
>> In case you'd forgotten, that's what we call *WRONG*. It is non-judicial
>> punishment and not allowed.
> 
> I hate repeating myself, so I give up. You are right is a honorable
> company and none of it's customers could even assume, that someday they
> might be forced to go offline.

Sarcasm ill suits you, Christian. It doesn't matter what people thing or
assume. Presumption of innocence is what the state is *REQUIRED* to
follow. In fact, not following it makes it a bad trial, and can lead to
it being thrown out (and thus MADE innocent).

> 
> 
>>> I do not know how MegaUpload (and the affiliated pages) works.
>>
>> And yet you've been quick to make statements saying 'they're guilty' and
>> 'they did xyz' and 'others weren't raided, so they must have been really
>> bad' and yet, you've just admitted YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
>>
>> PLEASE, for the sake of my inbox if nothing else, Christian, go find out
>> HOW before writing any more emails, ok?
> 
> So you know, they had such an options and just did not use it?
> 
> Let's stop this "discussion". We will not find a common position and at
> least I have better things to do.

It seems you have a personal animosity to Kim Schmitt, which is
colouring your attitudes. We're all thinking about the facts of the
case, and the other parties, you're fixated on Kim, and are already
convinced that he's guilty (before he even goes to trial) and ignoring
everything else. The only reason I can see for that would be a personal
dislike of some kind.

Andrew

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