[pp.int.general] PP-Leaders list update reminder

[Anouk Neeteson]

@antonio,, quote:"Total transparence = total lack of trust."
Give me 1 good reason why I should trust blindly anyone at a position
of power and/or influence?



On 21 July 2012 13:17, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com> wrote:
> What does not make sense is the fact that the list has been set up and
> operated under a known set of restrictions, being a closed list being one of
> them. All that has been said assumed those restrictions would apply, and
> perhaps things that would not have been mentioned under other conditions
> have been disclosed there.
>
> You can not change those conditions now and make everything public.
>
> Not without barring everyone from trusting you again with any kind of
> information that should not go public before the one providing it decides
> so.
>
> Imagine how difficult it would become for journalists if nobody trusted
> off-the-record and embargo to be respected... and abide by what is
> necessary.
>
>
> You do not seem to understand it is at all impossible to have short, mid and
> long term strategies if you can not conceal anything from your opponents and
> adversaries... then all you can do is day to day improvising at the level
> the least intelligent of your allies can understand.
>
> Very poor strategy.
>
>
> Without trusting each other, in the sense that you do not need to know
> everything to be sure the other is acting to the best of his ability to
> further the common goal, we will get nowhere.
>
> Distrust will keep ruining every effort.
>
> Total transparence = total lack of trust.
>
>
> And even with the total transparence, achieving anything becomes really
> impossible, under the present circumstances.
>
>
> Antonio.
> PP-ES
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:54:51 +0200
>> From: jakobsheep at gmail.com
>> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] PP-Leaders list update reminder
>
>>
>> Good thinking Markus, I agree. And for the protection of their
>> informel conversations before "publishing" they still have their
>> private communications like E-mail to guarantee free thinking WITHOUT
>> restrictions and no criticism during the formation of an unique free
>> opinion !
>> So we could have and transparency and guaranteed privacy at the same time.
>> Does this make sense?
>>
>>
>> (in the forming of one's opinion
>> On 21 July 2012 08:19, Markus Drenger
>> <markus.drenger at piratenpartei-hessen.de> wrote:
>> >> [..]
>> >> It is used for the
>> >> delivering of important information only [..]
>> >> and not for discussions.
>> >> well as to enable PPI members to discuss sensible matters.
>> >
>> > discussion or no discussion, that's the question ;)
>> >
>> > if this list is full of important information, without spam or other
>> > troll threads, why not make this list world-readable?
>> > It would be a perfect source of information within ppi.
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> > Markus
>> >
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