[pp.int.general] Global heating: 2 degrees of heating is 16 years away

[Kenneth Peiruza]

You are 100% right.


Al 30/07/12 14:57, En/na Maxime Rouquet ha escrit:
> On 07/28/2012 06:07 PM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>> That is micro-geothermal, not geothermal. It's not my fault if you don't
>> explain properly well.
> Sorry, I am not a native English speaker.
>
>> BTW, that is a SMALL part of a global thing called "sustainable
>> architecture" (...) " The most important and cost effective (...) element
>> of an efficient heating, ventilating, and air conditioning (HVAC)
>> system is a well insulated building"
> I agree. In general, the principle that fixing any cause of energy
> wasting before looking for more energy production systems is good.
>
> However, when the need of producing energy exists, we should also look
> for good ways of doing it. Micro-geothermal of geothermal systems are an
> example of what can be done and will not be supported by a big
> monopolistic energy selling company, but it remains only an example.
>
> When I speak about it I give the example of Iceland, or overseas French
> territories that have a compatible volcanic activity, but I also explain
> that the solution must be adapted to local conditions. Of course
> geothermal energy cannot be exploited everywhere. And micro-geothermal
> energy is difficult in crowed areas like cities...
>
> The solution can only be found on a case by case basis, my point is that
> we should not depend on a unique global solution like nuclear power in
> France (three quarters of electric production) which has all the
> weaknesses of any centralized system (plus a bunch of others...), but
> rather look for locally optimized renewable energy production solutions
> that, most of the time, will not be promoted by Areva or EDF.
>
> And probably also break most of states monopolies on energy distribution.
>
>> As I told you, digging around volcanic areas can easily cause loads of
>> earthquakes, as already demonstrated in Switzerland and New Zealand.
>> Looks like Hawai is having problems as well...
> Nuclear energy done wrong would have wrong effects, look at Chernobyl
> and Fukushima. Maybe geothermal energy is not a good idea, but the fact
> that someone did something wrong with it is not a final argument to
> discard it.
>
>> BTW, geothermal plants cause CO2 & CH4 (methane) emissions, H2S (acid
>> rain) and ammonia (NH3). The water used there is rich in heavy metals
>> (mercurium and so), and might be processed & reused to avoid toxic
>> waste, and so and so and so....
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_electricity#Environmental_impact
> This might be true for electricity production, I do not know and do not
> have time to investigate. However, producing electricity is not the only
> way of exploiting (micro-)geothermal energy.
>
> The first would be heating houses, farms and other places. This does not
> imply necessarily to produce electricity, but it can have the effect of
> reducing the electricity consummation by avoiding to use electric
> radiators (which are not effective but highly advertised by companies
> like EDF in France).
>
>> Do you want a private company to operate such a toxic environment for
>> their economic profit????
> States could and should pass general laws against toxic waste and other
> abuses of private and public companies.
>
>> Your solution isn't cheaper than wind power and can't be used in most
>> countries  ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source
>> ) and has plenty of well known backside effects...
> It is not my solution but an example. I agree it cannot be used in many
> places. But note the price might decrease with a wider use, and I
> suppose there are a lot of factors of that kind that make such
> assertions quite peremptory.
>
>> Ok, it took me 10 minutes to demonstrate how was your point, with
>> references.
>>
>> Is it okay for you now? otherwise, please, don't reply me again without
>> scientific references... I got rid of religious beliefs.
> I share your opinion on religious beliefs. However, I encourage you not
> to fall in manichaeism, which I also got rid about.
>
> Regards,
>
> m
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