[pp.int.general] Internet defense league

Mike Masnick mike at floor64.com
Fri Jun 1 13:05:38 CEST 2012

Thanks Francisco,

I'll chime in briefly on that as well...

Yes, we are hard at work on the followup report, as that RFD shows.  And
while we've been able to collect some data, we have significant gaps in the
country level data which we're working to fill in, if anyone has access to
useful data.

Of particular interest are *consumer spending* trends (i.e., how much of
the public's spending goes towards entertainment and how that's changed
over time -- in the US it has grown 15% over the last decade, but we'd like
to see if that's the same elsewhere).  In the US we found it via the Bureau
of Labor Statistics, and while every country that we're interested in has a
national statistics agency, it's not clear they have this data, or make it
easily accessible.

Separately, more data on the *larger* music industry (not just sale of
recorded music) in the specific European countries mentioned below.  We
have some decent data on the UK and Italy, but others are lacking
(*especially* data on live music).  Finally, any data on the rise of ebooks
and non-traditional publishing in those markets would be really helpful.
 In the global report, we saw that ebooks allowed the non-traditional
market to grow from just about 35k non-traditional/self-published books in
2002 to 2.7 million such books in 2010 (while traditionally published books
grew from 215k to 316k over that same period).  It would be great, though
if we could get more specific country-level breakdowns.

Any help that anyone in the PPs in Europe can provide would be greatly


On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:56 AM, Francisco George <francisco.george at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> Thanks for your comments and I want to publicly thank you for propagating
> the PP ideals, through TechDirt, the ideals and milestones of the Pirate
> Parties to the US audience https://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=pirate+party
> And I take the opportunity to also present your RFD to update your data
> for "The Sky Is Rising" report http://www.techdirt.com/skyisrising/
> *"Hi Francisco,*
> *
> *
> *Thanks.  We're looking to explore what has happened to the entertainment
> industries in key markets in Europe, specifically, Spain, France, UK,
> Germany, Italy and Russia.  The specific info we're looking for are:*
> *
> *
> ** Revenue of entire industry*
> ** Revenue for each music, video, books and video games (and that means
> not just things like "music sales" but overall market, including live,
> licensing, etc...).*
> ** How those have changed over the past decade*
> ** Amount of content produced by those industry (and how much it's
> changed over the past decade)*
> ** Consumer spending on entertainment (and how it's changed over the past
> decade).*
> *
> *
> *We recognize that not all of that data may be available, but as much as
> we can find would be useful.  If you know of others who might be able to
> help in those other countries as well, that would be useful.*
> *
> *
> *Also, it's important that the data be as credible as possible.  We've
> been very careful with the original report, and there has been almost no
> attacks on the data because it's solid.  We need the same for this follow
> up."*
> *
> *
> *
> *
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