[pp.int.general] Pirate Party Situation in Spain

[Kenneth Peiruza]

Hi Victor,

I'd love to add that mistrusting PP-CAT is simply stupid and paranoid
(risperidona can help with the latter, but not with the stupidity).

We're an open online assembly, were everything is voted by all of us (
https://xifrat.pirata.cat ) and every member has only one vote. Our
board exists just because the law makes it mandatory, but our boards had
never made any decision.

It's much easier to mistrust the pyramidal structure of PP-ES, were half
of its former board was trolling PP-CAT (with Riaño as well) without any
kind of transparency or knowledge of its members.

BTW, I was talking to the new PP-ES's secretary two days ago, Eduardo. I
was telling him to create a list/team of 2-3 people from every party to
draft a confederation proposal and to be able to vote it before PPI's GA.

Let's take the initiative, as every attempt to work with PP-ES gets
blocked :(


Regards,

Kenneth


On 04/03/12 17:59, Victor Fernandez wrote:
> Hi! my name is Victor, I'm 20 years old and a I'm a member of PPES and
> PP-GAL.
>
> In this moment almost all the member of PP-Gal are part of PPES,
> furthermore we want a confederation and the most active members of
> PP-GAL are working actively in the PPES mail lists.
>
> Problems off PPES?
>
> -The work environment is pretty bad without out .Gal and .Cat members.
> I think this is the worst problem and we can't help to fix it. Now
> some people are moderating the mail list but that don't fix the problem.
>
> - A few persons of PPES don't trust on PP-CAT people so is hard to
> work together.
>
> -PPES statutes but now I think they really are trying to reform it.
>
> -People don't really want to talk. I've proposed to PPES directive
> create a main list where a few people of PP-GAL, PPES and PP-CAT could
> work together, share information quickly etc. but until now they don't
> want because off PP-CAT. They prefer that one person (me) talk to one
> person of the PPES directive or sent a email to PPES mail list, the
> one of the bad work environment so... not easily talk, work and trust.
>
> 2012/3/4 Justus Römeth <roemeth at gmail.com <mailto:roemeth at gmail.com>>
>
>     Moin/hola/ahoi
>
>     Instead of bringing up this topic in a number of threads, I think
>     it should be discussed on its own. Now, please don't make any
>     personal attacks. Instead, it would be nice if Pirates from Spain
>     that know the situation would fill the rest of us in about what
>     they think is being done wrongly at PPES, how they see PP-CAT's
>     and PP-GAL's positions towards this, if they would be okay with
>     forming an umbrella organization that represents the various
>     Spanish PPs towards PPI (and possibly PPEU) or not, and stuff like
>     that.
>
>     I would in particular be interested in knowing whether members of
>     PP-CAT and PP-GAL would be interested in joining PPES as well if
>     PPES gets their problems under control (as long as Catalonia and
>     Galicia are not independent, anyways).
>
>     -J
>
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