[pp.int.general] R: R: R: R: Liquid Feedback in Italian Primetime Tv Show

[john dickinson]

Carlito,

No, I don't know you, never worked on anything with you. I don't know Liquid Feedback, or
why it is shutdown. I wanted to know, because Europeans are ten years ahead of us with software./

What I do know is that the freedom of expression should be protected at all costs. I have
recently been warned with banishment from a community listserve, because people don't read past the first line.
The moderator said he had a lawyer who found I didn't live exactly in their neighborhood. I didn't waste the effort to say that I have been in his neighborhood for five generations. Then he called me a troll, so I have added "Notes from -tool, trool and troll", in my subject line.
I was banned from befriending on Facebook for 6 days, unless I appeal and provide Facebook with the reasons
and names of everyone I friended in the past 6 months. You can anticipate my answer, if not, I will forward it to you, everything
past the "...it's none of your business..." opener.

I joined the piratas to bring attention to as many as possible about what is happening to our rights to use the internet. Not many are interested
but many are interested in giving game players permanent bans for offending them in a multiplayer game. The irony. In scant months there 
will be major changes on our rights to use the net.

I am working to provide global, un monitored access to the net...
You are welcome to with my permission to say what you want. (joke, nobody needs anybody's permission) My only advice is that if it's not written, it doesn't exist. If it is written, it can be ignored, not forbiddened.

http://Apojigo.com/SIPP
 
I remain sincerely yours,

John Dickinson

=access           Since 1991   
"Be the change that you want 
to see in the world." 
M. K. Gandhi 



________________________________
 From: Carlito <carlito at subvertising.org>
To: 'Pirate Parties International -- General Talk' <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net> 
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: [pp.int.general] R: R: R: R: Liquid Feedback in Italian Primetime Tv Show
 
Da: Zbigniew Lukasiak
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:03 PM, carlo von lynX
> <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 03:37:27PM -0200, Jorge wrote:
> >> person are so important like us... The numbers given by Carlitos are
> >> impressive.
> >
> > That isn't surprising.. we have been keeping Liquid Feedback in the
> > news for months so there are approximately just as many Italians
> > knowing about it as there are Germans. 

Are you talking about your last interview with 3 000 views on YouTube?
So 3 million people watched our show and knew about "liquid democracy"
thanks to you.
Impressive.

> > I presume Carlito just had to
> > introduce himself as LQFB expert to get the job and since we have been
> > fighting his false information on LQFB in the media for months he is
> > even considered an expert. Media can't tell the expert from the
> > anti-expert. In fact when we introduced it, he was the one refusing to
> > work with it because it didn't fit the way he thinks a company er I
> > mean a political party should function.

I'm disgusted to see that you feel so free to judge who's expert and who's
not. 
Did we ever meet and/or work together in any project? Do you know my CV? 

> > Anyway, the platform has been launched.. of 3 million that may have
> > heard the announcement of the LQFB approx 6000 have actually checked
> > it out. Most of them never to come back.
> > The daily activity on the platform is a lot less than on the Pirate
> > Party's LQFB, although we only have about 300 certified members.

You have more information than me and I configured the platform. Impressive.
The 300 members is the only truth I can find in your message. I can only let
you note that it's the same number of November 2011, exactly one year ago. 

> > You should give your fellow Pirate Party's judgment a bit more belief.
> > And the reason this guy is spamming us here is because there's nowhere
> > else for him left to go.

The only reason I posted the message in this list is because I don't have
serious people in the Italian PP community.
Also, I've been banned from all the communication tools. 
Forum is closed.
Liquid Feedback is closed.
Lists are closed.
Are you sure this is a usual description of a movement fighting for net
freedom and neutrality?

> I understand that you have some differences about the party - but do you
> think that his project is somehow hurting the Pirate Movement or the
> reputation of Liquid Feedback?  You mentioned that it is a 'gamification'
- I
> don't see that as a condemnation.  I think it is good to start with a
'play' - this
> is the most effective way to learn about new things - and that is
applicable to
> both individual humans and the society as a whole.

Hi Zbigniew!
Thanks for trying to stop the jealous troll but it's quite impossible as you
can see.
Feel free to write me privately if you need more data.

Carlito


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