[pp.int.general] Pirate Party of Serbia is Finally Officially Registered

[Zoran Z]

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Hi all,

What Marko is saying is misleading and untrue.

At this moment there are two pirate groups in Serbia and both call
themselves Pirate Party, but there is no registered Pirate Party in
Serbia and that is a fact
(sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/?????????_???????_?_??????).

Pirate Party of Serbia, which you've all known for years
(http://piratskapartija.com), and is already a member and one of the
founders of PPI
(http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki/images/a/a6/Statutes_of_the_Pirate_Parties_International.pdf),
still exists and is quite active on a national and regional level. It
was established in 2008 by Aleksandar Blagojevic, who was also a board
member of PPI in 2010/2011
(http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki//index.php?title=PPI_Board/Old&oldid=5982),
but who is now just a member of the Pirate Party of Serbia and the fact
that he is the founder of the PP does not afford him any privilege. So,
please stop personalizing the problem.

The other group which also call themselves Pirate Party of Serbia
(http://piratska.org), where Marko belongs now, has been established in
September from the small group of members of the 'original' PP of Serbia
after a difference in opinion about supporting the rights of the LGBT
groups to organize Pride March in Belgrade. They were strongly against
it and they even published an official statement to the public based on
the votes of only 10 people (7:3).

That voting was organized exclusively for the so called 'core team'
(self proclaimed 'elite' group of pirates which was not elected in any
democratic way. To be accurate there was no election whatsoever for that
'body') and they were opposed to discussion on the problem of organizing
voting among all party members.
 
PP of Serbia (http://piratskapartija.com) could not accept this decision
which we consider to be against pirate principles and against the
Serbian Constitution which guarantees those rights for all citizens and
minorities, including sexual minorities. Because of this we were forced
to remove the "core team" from the party structure and support the Pride
March.

After this the group around piratska.org literally stole the database,
website and facebook page from Pirate Party of Serbia, bought a new
domain and replicated PP's website on that new domain. They are still
sending/spaming emails to all members of the original PP from the stolen
database even though no one registered or opted-in on the domain
piratska.org. For example they are still spamming my inbox.

The legal statute of this new "Pirate Party" is an NGO (which can be at
any time registered by only 5 Serbian citizens) called "Pirate
Movement". At this moment there are about 16.000 registered NGOs like
that and saying that it is a legal party is simply not true. They are
registered as an NGO for 'Improvement of civil right and education of
citizens'. Funny thing is that they are improving civil rights by
promoting the ban of Pride March and hate speech and racism towards the
Roma population, of which we have several documented cases.

Question is why the Pirate Movement present and call themselves Pirate
Party when they already have their name? As I can see, Marko and people
from piratska.org are trying to steal the identity of Pirate Party of
Serbia, which exists 6 years, while their organization exists only 2 months.

For more information about us and our activities over the last six years
you can visit:
http://wiki.pp-international.net/Pirate_Party_of_Serbia
https://piratskapartija.piratenpad.de/meeting-minutes

My best,
Zoran Zivkovic
Pirate Party of Serbia
http://piratskapartija.com
zoran.zivkovic at piratskapartija.com
weborad at gmail.com



On 11/29/2012 04:24 PM, mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se wrote:
> Marko:
>
> Thank you for the information. I'm looking forward to read your
statutes and minutes when you've found the time to translate them.
>
> Best regards
>
> Mab
>
> On 2012-11-28 12:06, Marko Mitrovic wrote:
>> Hello Mattias.
>>
>> There is only one Pirate Party in Serbia wih legal status, and that
>> is already mentioned "Pirate Movement" in form of civil movement.
>> Whatever Aleksandar mentioned are vague and overly optimistic plans at
>> best. And yes, technically speaking we both "claim" to represent true
>> PPRS.
>>
>> In last email I forgot to mention that for the first time in five
>> years of existence, Pirates of Serbia democratically chose leadership,
>> or more precise positions within our civil movement, at our
>> Constituent Assembly month or so ago.
>>
>> We dont have English versions of our statue nor minutes from
>> Constituent Assembly, but we can translate them and will do so in
>> coming day/weeks.
>>
>> Just to one more time underline that there is only one legal entity
>> representing Pirates in Serbia at the moment.
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM, <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se>
wrote:
>>
>>> I am a bit confused.
>>>
>>> If I understand it correctly there is currently one Serbian Pirate
party that has the legal status of a civil movement, mentioned in the
email from Marko, and one Serbian Pirate Party that has the legal status
of something else/nothing (?), mentioned from Aleksandar. Is this
correct? And both claim to represent the true Serbian pirate party?
>>>
>>> Well, PPI demands that a member organization have internal
democratic structure, so I suppose that a quick way to see who actually
is the true Serbian pirate party is by at the next PPI GA ask for the
statutes and minutes from the last general assembly of both entities
claiming to be the Serbian pirates.
>>>
>>> Actually, I would be very interested to see English versions of the
statutes for these organizations allready at this time if any such
exists or can be produced.
>>>
>>> I would also like to see a list of board members for both
organizations and the minutes from the meeting where they were elected.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Mab
>>>
>
>
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