[pp.int.general] The true core Pirates principles -Serious attempt to get a workable consensus-

[MRE]

Hello,

Although I might agree with many things in it, I also find it
difficult that such an exhaustive list (in some aspects) can provide a
common definition of pirate ideology.

Buts:

What do you mean that people has the right of having their DNA protected?

How can possibly an unborn self-determine its fate and body? Does that
mean that you will let children vote from age zero onwards?

The limit between natural and not natural drugs seems very arbitrary
to me. Some so-called "natural" drugs are very toxic while others have
no effect at all because they're basically scams. I don't see the
benefit on regulating the synthetic ones and not regulating the
natural ones. I think that the way that people can make informed
choices is by having information and this sometimes goes through
regulation (for instance, by proper labeling that does not mislead the
consumer into believing propaganda), and sometimes it has the benefit
of forcing a minimum quality of the product.

In the same direction, if you think it's important to have information
on what the processed foods contain, you should include as well
transparent information on how the non-processed foods are grown,
since their properties depend very much on it.

What do you mean exactly with "respecting the legislature"? Are you
talking about our internal rules or about any country's laws? Because
if it's the second we might have a problem. In some random country the
law may say that a woman that has a child outside of marriage should
be sentenced to dead, for instance.  :P

Best regards,

             Muriel


2012/9/26 Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com>:
> Another try, please mail me privately for questions directed straight at me.
> I hope that it will not create controversy, it is with the intention to
> unite the pirates globally. I added some new lines because of more feedback
> from elsewhere. I didn't include the universal human rights, they are too
> biased. (the sky is the limit, somehow, some-way, someday simultaneous
> singularity):
>
> The right of protection of each individual human being including :
> -  its privacy
> -  its physical body (including DNA)
> -  its impartiality
> -  juridical
> -  against unfair competition and corporatocracy
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy
> -  the under-aged as a group with extra protection
>
> With the right of:
> -  a reasonable transparent legislature and transparent public organisations
> http://www.transparency.org/
> -  self-determination of its fate and body (including the unborn).
> -  being impartially reviewed whether on sex, believe, race, etc.
> -  freely using natural drugs or natural therapies, natural cures, or
> natural medicines (like homoeopathy and so on). I don't name all drugs,
> because synthetic (and halve-synthetic) drugs are not natural and have to
> come under the medical licence scheme, Or to put it in another way, these
> chemicals need regulation, so no you can not have 100 gram of cocaine a day
> from your chemist :)
> -  freedom of expression of opinion with a minimum of respect towards
> anybody
> -  direct voting on the legislature or to have it delegated
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberative_democracy)
> -  to be informed of and access to personal data and the right to correct or
> comment
> -  form / join freely a cooperation
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism)
> -  growing up to become adult with a guarantee on protection, support, care
> and education.
> -  free access to medical, scientific and technological knowledge and
> education
> -  minimal healthcare
> -  minimal social assistance
> -  contentious relationships with others in their own chosen way (ex.when
> people decide to live in a commune or same sex relations etc. as long as it
> is with everyone's free will)
> -  making the marginal error (because nobody is perfect)
>
> With the obligation (nobody likes to hear them):
> -  of healthy water, and healthy grown nutrition
> -  transparent information on ingredients of processed food and beverages
> and all other products.
> -  to respect the law defined by the legislature (I explain why this is
> important, as the pirate party we have a agreement to cooperate as a group,
> without agreement, like disrespecting the rules, there is no common pirate
> party, just like national law that one day will be replaced with an internal
> law once everybody is properly supported and educated)
> -  to actively contribute to these principles (without input nothing moves)
> -  to respect everybody as they expect to be respected by everybody (no
> abuse, no violence, nettiquette)
> -  to be held responsible for their own behaviour and acts (you break
> something, you pay)
> -  to become more loveable, peaceful and happy :)
>
> With the demand of:
> -  The information society needs complete new rulings (preserve openness,
> change copyright laws on digital data, internet as public space/good,
> reforming patent law and ipr etc.)
> -  freedom (as in: restrictions need rationale justification, no restricting
> of behaviour which doesn't harm anyone)
> -  accountability (additional legislature?)
> -  traceability (additional legislature?)
> -  inclusive humanism (tolerance and rationality:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism)
> -  a healthy and sustainable global environment
> -  abolishment of war, only in self-defence and to protect international
> humanitarian aid missions
> -  abolishment of arms-trade over national borders. (making money on
> arms-trade is against humanity but we can not deny that we need a peoples
> army to protect souveranity. So hence we need to produce arms to
> counterbalance the world against the savage nature and heritage in present
> times. But to produce arms to protect ourself and then SELL them abroad is
> NOT COMMON SENSE. The way out is stopping proliferation is by stopping
> export)
> -  more free public parties
>
> methods:
> - occams razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)
> - K.I.S.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K.I.S.S.)
> - the pirate wheel:
> http://falkvinge.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/manual/PirateWheel-2011-11-13.pdf
> (or any better alternative)
> - Liquid Feedback: http://liquidfeedback.org/ (or any better alternative)
>
>
>
>> the good news, there are more rights then obligations. lol
>>
>>  And I hope that a lot of  mothers like it too, they are with voting very
>> aware of the future for their children !
>>
>>  What did I forget or wrongly? Any controversy? Did I write too much?
>> please give feedback.
>
>
>>
>> Anouk    REM I hope my remarks are appreciated.
>
>
>
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