[pp.int.general] free software video streaming

[Lindsay-Anne Brunner]

You know, you don't have to act all holier-than-thou, McCrea.
On Feb 16, 2013 2:16 PM, "Travis McCrea" <me at travismccrea.com> wrote:

> Maxime,
> How exactly would making it available with Youtube and other "non-free"
> methods and services negate us ALSO using OOG and free methods? Using RMS's
> email, it says to not use a non-free service to distribute his speech...
> not "please make your primary method a free method and then you can also
> broadcast it any other way".
>
> If you are threatening legal action or shaming ("do you want to be another
> lying political party?"), there is still the undertone that we are not
> allowed to use the speech in whatever method or format we want. That is
> limiting free sharing of culture and knowledge. This is a weak DRM but a
> DRM non-the-less. It is the "if you want to play our game, you have to play
> it while connected to the internet" type DRM.
>
> Again, I encourage RMS' fanaticism, as it has a place in the world which
> is very important. We need more people like Richard in the world fighting
> on the front lines for free software reform (and the other things he stands
> for). However, we must also realize (as I said in the previous email) that
> there is a place for both rational political organizations which effect
> change legislatively AND more radical groups which change the public
> perspective and bring them closer to understanding what the political party
> does.
>
> Greenpeace turns a lot of people off with what they do (or more what they
> did in the past, they don't turn many people off with their letter writing
> campaigns now), but once we had a radical group promoting environmental
> change... the more moderate green people who were saying "hey... we are not
> those guy's, but look at the good things that Green can do" and it was the
> perfect mix. You need both to make a great movement.
>
> I am disappointed RMS cannot accept that we both have our place, and isn't
> happy until everyone does things his own way. I am very successful at what
> I do, and RMS is incredibly successful at what he does. I don't walk into
> the FSF and start demanding they make changes to become more moderate so
> they can appeal to a larger audience, because I know his purpose is to
> rally the base and take people who already are tech savvy and "engineer
> brained" get them to become free software users and developers... I just
> wish he would have a less combative tone when he comes here demanding we
> become a radical free software party which will not use any non-free
> software to promote our cause.
>
> Richard's principals are no more or less strong as my own. I just choose
> to appeal to a broader audience, and to grab the more moderate people and
> show them why copyright is flawed and how we can make the world a better
> place. Once I (and Scott, and countless others) have converted them to
> Piratism, then you can bring them in and further explain how free software
> is the greatest and why they shouldn't use proprietary and freedom limiting
> software.
>
> Maxime Rouquet wrote:
> > On 02/16/2013 08:14 AM, Travis McCrea wrote:
> >> If you want to "manage" the "rights" on how we share your speech
> >> "digitally", then perhaps you should take a step back and start
> >> reading what you preach on your website.
> >
> > Please, he did not asked to put people in jail or charge a fine...
> >
> > This is about principles. Such comparison with what the copyright
> > monopoly does is fallacious.
> >
> >> I think that the pirate parties who book you should make sure they
> >> don't agree to something as silly as what you require.
> >
> > (This is not silly.)
> >
> >> I cheered on Aaron Swartz when he set information free
> >
> > The speech was and will remain free. The question is how freely it
> > will be distributed.
> >
> > Putting it on Youtube would prevent people from accessing it, and
> > encourage others not to look for free ways to access to data on the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Sharing it with a torrent and putting it on a website where it can be
> > downloaded and/or watched from a browser will be a demonstration to
> > everybody that we do not need Youtube or any other intermediary.
> >
> >> when I see your messages on this mailing list you look more like a
> >> religious zealot than a person who cares about the cause.
> >
> > Like I said, the question is about the strength of each and everyone's
> > principles. You should not accuse people of being religious fanatics
> > just because they aspire to stronger principles than you do.
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