[pp.int.general] benicasim (pp.international.general Digest, Vol 76, Issue 85)
pirate at valio.ch
pirate at valio.ch
Mon Jul 1 17:35:01 CEST 2013
ohhh nice :-)
I didn't saw your mail, as I skipped it to the subject
Zitat von Galileo Galilei <otrosmundos at gmail.com>:
> Trying to do an start of it in benicasim actually. In talks with jamendo
> and with associations from benicasim to let it be posible.
>
> Benicasim is a place in Spain where it has two relevant music festivals..
> FIB and Rototom, in summer.
>
> Ahoi.
>
>
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>> 1. I had this dream once... (pirate at valio.ch)
>> 2. Re: I had this dream once... (Antonio Garcia)
>> 3. Re: Then... (pirate at valio.ch)
>> 4. Re: I had this dream once... (David van Deijk)
>> 5. Re: I had this dream once... (Zopokx)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200
>> From: pirate at valio.ch
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
>> Message-ID:
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>> ...of pirate woodstock
>>
>> a festival...
>> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded
>> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
>> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but
>> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over
>> public wifi, remix with other and publish it
>> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to
>> promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate
>> radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a
>> Flattr-like-mechanism
>> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none
>> (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to
>> the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and
>> are allowed to call yourself part of the event
>> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
>>
>> because
>> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
>> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is
>> hardly eligible
>> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending
>> on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art
>> [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
>> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
>> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of
>> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list
>> [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]
>> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not
>> intended to be excluded by economical means
>> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and
>> speaking about how we want the world
>>
>> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
>> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly
>> noticed.
>> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call
>> me an utopian fool.
>>
>> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
>> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we
>> are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes
>> crusted very soon.
>>
>> -pat
>>
>> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license
>> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
>> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.info/
>> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
>> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.
>> http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf
>> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math
>> http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
>> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content
>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content
>> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
>> https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
>> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here?
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 21:00:43 +0000
>> From: Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
>> Message-ID: <DUB119-W4885E710FBCC0903D990ECDC770 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Brussels/Kazan did everything possible to kill that dream, as it can't be
>> built on lies.
>>
>> Lies do not marry emotions all that well.
>>
>>
>> Antonio.
>>
>>
>> > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200
>> > From: pirate at valio.ch
>> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> > Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
>> >
>> > ...of pirate woodstock
>> >
>> > a festival...
>> > ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded
>> > ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
>> > ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but
>> > where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over
>> > public wifi, remix with other and publish it
>> > ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to
>> > promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate
>> > radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a
>> > Flattr-like-mechanism
>> > ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none
>> > (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to
>> > the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and
>> > are allowed to call yourself part of the event
>> > ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
>> >
>> > because
>> > ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
>> > ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is
>> > hardly eligible
>> > ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending
>> > on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art
>> > [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
>> > ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
>> > constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of
>> > obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list
>> > [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]
>> > ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not
>> > intended to be excluded by economical means
>> > ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and
>> > speaking about how we want the world
>> >
>> > Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
>> > Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly
>> noticed.
>> > Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call
>> > me an utopian fool.
>> >
>> > But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
>> > The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we
>> > are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes
>> > crusted very soon.
>> >
>> > -pat
>> >
>> > [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license
>> > http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
>> > [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.info/
>> > [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
>> > [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.
>> > http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf
>> > [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math
>> http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
>> > [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content
>> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content
>> > [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
>> > https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
>> > [7] Falkvinge - why are you here?
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs
>> >
>> > ____________________________________________________
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>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:17:31 +0200
>> From: pirate at valio.ch
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Then...
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>> ...why are you here Antonio?
>> ...why do you stay here if you don't have a dream?
>> ...why do you keep telling us things we already know of is your opinion?
>> ...does it provide satisfaction to you?
>> ...is there any altruistic intent?
>> ...do you want to do something else in your life?
>>
>> I mean this in a humble, not sarcastic way.
>> Have you ever bothered asked yourself these questions?
>>
>> Quoting Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>:
>>
>> > Brussels/Kazan did everything possible to kill that dream, as it
>> > can't be built on lies.
>> >
>> > Lies do not marry emotions all that well.
>> >
>> >
>> > Antonio.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200
>> >> From: pirate at valio.ch
>> >> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
>> >>
>> >> ...of pirate woodstock
>> >>
>> >> a festival...
>> >> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded
>> >> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
>> >> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but
>> >> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over
>> >> public wifi, remix with other and publish it
>> >> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to
>> >> promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate
>> >> radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a
>> >> Flattr-like-mechanism
>> >> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none
>> >> (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to
>> >> the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and
>> >> are allowed to call yourself part of the event
>> >> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
>> >>
>> >> because
>> >> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
>> >> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is
>> >> hardly eligible
>> >> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending
>> >> on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art
>> >> [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
>> >> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
>> >> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of
>> >> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list
>> >> [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]
>> >> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not
>> >> intended to be excluded by economical means
>> >> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and
>> >> speaking about how we want the world
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
>> >> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are
>> >> hardly noticed.
>> >> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call
>> >> me an utopian fool.
>> >>
>> >> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
>> >> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we
>> >> are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes
>> >> crusted very soon.
>> >>
>> >> -pat
>> >>
>> >> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license
>> >> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
>> >> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.info/
>> >> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
>> >> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.
>> >> http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf
>> >> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math
>> >> http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
>> >> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content
>> >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content
>> >> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
>> >> https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
>> >> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here?
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs
>> >>
>> >> ____________________________________________________
>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:21:22 +0200
>> From: David van Deijk <davidd at piratenpartij.nl>
>> To: <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
>> Message-ID: <a5dc25a21658331ec1087f637e6de2f6 at piratenpartij.nl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> For people like you i have organised a special party.
>>
>> It's called the "bitter" party. only bitter people are allowed.
>>
>> We will party with coffee that has gone cold, black chocolate, brussels
>> sprouts and chicory (raw).
>>
>> people that still have a glimmer of hope left can go to Valio's party
>> instead. only embittered people are welcome at my party.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Antonio Garcia schreef op 29.06.2013 23:00:
>> > Brussels/Kazan did everything possible to kill that dream, as it
>> > can't
>> > be built on lies.
>> >
>> > Lies do not marry emotions all that well.
>> >
>> > Antonio.
>> >
>> >> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200
>> >> From: pirate at valio.ch
>> >> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
>> >>
>> >> ...of pirate woodstock
>> >>
>> >> a festival...
>> >> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded
>> >> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
>> >> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors,
>> > but
>> >> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over
>> >> public wifi, remix with other and publish it
>> >> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to
>> >> promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate
>> >
>> >> radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by
>> > a
>> >> Flattr-like-mechanism
>> >> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none
>> >> (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying
>> > to
>> >> the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and
>> >
>> >> are allowed to call yourself part of the event
>> >> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
>> >>
>> >> because
>> >> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
>> >> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that
>> > is
>> >> hardly eligible
>> >> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't
>> > depending
>> >> on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all
>> > art
>> >> [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
>> >> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
>> >> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead
>> > of
>> >> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart
>> > list
>> >> [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]
>> >> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is
>> > not
>> >> intended to be excluded by economical means
>> >> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and
>> >> speaking about how we want the world
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
>> >> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly
>> > noticed.
>> >> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll
>> > call
>> >> me an utopian fool.
>> >>
>> >> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
>> >> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why
>> > we
>> >> are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes
>> >> crusted very soon.
>> >>
>> >> -pat
>> >>
>> >> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license
>> >> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
>> >> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.info/
>> >> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
>> >> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.
>> >>
>> >
>> > http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf
>> >> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math
>> > http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
>> >> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content
>> >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content
>> >> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
>> >> https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
>> >> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here?
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs
>> >>
>> >> ____________________________________________________
>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>
>> --
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> David van Deijk.
>> Kandidaat Tweede Kamer 2012,
>> Ledenraadslid 2013-
>> Piratenpartij Nederland
>> David.van.Deijk at piratenpartij.nl
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 00:05:33 +0200
>> From: Zopokx <zopokx at gmail.com>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> I love it <3
>> El 29/06/2013 22:37, <pirate at valio.ch> escribi?:
>>
>> > ...of pirate woodstock
>> >
>> > a festival...
>> > ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded
>> > ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
>> > ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but
>> > where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over public
>> > wifi, remix with other and publish it
>> > ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to promote
>> > their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate radio, stage
>> > w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a
>> > Flattr-like-mechanism
>> > ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none (or
>> at
>> > least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to the rules
>> > stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and are allowed to
>> > call yourself part of the event
>> > ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
>> >
>> > because
>> > ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
>> > ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is
>> > hardly eligible
>> > ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending on
>> > current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art [1]
>> > without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
>> > ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
>> > constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of
>> > obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list
>> [4])
>> > and are told you are producing "content" [5]
>> > ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not
>> > intended to be excluded by economical means
>> > ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and speaking
>> > about how we want the world
>> >
>> > Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
>> > Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly
>> > noticed.
>> > Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call me
>> > an utopian fool.
>> >
>> > But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
>> > The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we are
>> > here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes crusted very
>> > soon.
>> >
>> > -pat
>> >
>> > [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license http://creativecommons.org/**
>> > publicdomain/zero/1.0/ <
>> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/>
>> > [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.**info/<
>> http://everythingisaremix.info/>
>> > [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords http://www.youtube.com/watch?**
>> > v=oOlDewpCfZQ <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ>
>> > [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.
>> >
>> http://www.write4kids.com/**blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/**05/doctorow.pdf
>> <http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf>
>> > [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math http://www.salon.com/2000/06/**
>> > 14/love_7/ <http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/>
>> > [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/**
>> > words-to-avoid.html#Content<
>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content>
>> > [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
>> > https://projects.eff.org/~**barlow/Declaration-Final.html<
>> https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html>
>> > [7] Falkvinge - why are you here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?**
>> > v=nCbRX1YEqrs <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs>
>> >
>> > ______________________________**______________________
>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
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