[pp.int.general] Moderated PPI discussion list

[Anouk]

Hi Muriel and others,
I like to point out that /anyone/ feeling intimidated should/must speak out
loud.  For how do we know that this is happening ?

Secondly, how does one survive at the real political scene ? If we can't
deal with straigth forward problems as Antonio has argumented, what chance
do the pirates have in public functions ?
I still see his arguments on the table not being handled well. Kindergarten
is unfortunately an good metaphore, and I like to add, without supervision.
(although I like to point out that I also do see progress). Unfortunately
sometimes things have to go worse before things improve. (It is called,
everybody has to reinvent that same wheel)
This is my opinion and I do not experience the discussions as intolerable,
au contraire. I get more and more  insights in the persons that shout and
curse. This is how they profile themselves, then that is how they are. The
truth (with humans) is more often ugly then beautiful, unfortunately. Deal
with it rather then keeping it at a distance.

Anouk
 On Jun 15, 2013 11:03 PM, "Muriel Rovira Esteva" <muriel at pirata.cat> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I fail to see how leaving this list as it is, and open a new one for
> people who likes to discuss differently is censoring anyone in any way.  :)
>
> In any case, it would be all the contrary, it would give the oportunity to
> all those who may feel a bit intimidated here to say something to speak
> their mind and participate.
>
> Best regards,
>
>               Muriel
>
>
> 2013/6/15 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
>
>> It would help A TON... not to get away unpunished with blackmail and
>> breaches of the Statutes...
>>
>> ... it is very difficult to feel respectful sympathy for crooks that fuck
>> the rules.
>>
>>
>> Funny, this will be the second time you want things done right... AFTER
>> consolidating benefits gathered doing things wrong.
>>
>> You can not ask for moderation against protest for things done wrong...
>> to protect the consolidation of the benefits of your wrongdoing.
>>
>> That is nothing short of DICTATORIAL CENSORSHIP.
>>
>>
>> You can have it, if the majority wishes it... but then the majority
>> should grab for a mirror and see if it still recognizes a Pirate in the
>> image.
>>
>>
>> Antonio.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: muriel at pirata.cat
>> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:25:41 +0200
>> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> Subject: [pp.int.general] Moderated PPI discussion list
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I think is good that we keep this list unmoderated, for those who enjoy
>> the rough style, but that we set up an alternative list open to everyone,
>> but with a minimum set of mutual respect rules, for those who prefer to
>> discuss without being insulted.
>>
>> This way we can benefit from everyone's contributions, and not only those
>> who are tough enough to discuss in these terms or that have the know-how to
>> set the adequate filters.
>>
>> In my experience, just knowing that there are some rules makes people
>> much more respectful, which means that in practice rarely any moderation is
>> needed.
>>
>> Would the PPI board be willing to adopt the task of maintaining such a
>> moderated discussion list?
>>
>> Of course, the board would be free to delegate this task, but being an
>> official PPI mailing list would mean that the board could always appoint a
>> different responsible in case of conflict, or if the interest of the
>> appointed responsible faded out with time. :-)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Muriel
>>
>> valio at visionsinteractive.ch ha escrit:
>>
>> I would opt as well for an open, but moderated new list with different
>> rules setup from the beginning, for those that prefer to avoid
>>
>>
>> flamewars and insults.
>>
>> I think there should be a place for free troll and flamewar speech;
>> trying to argue who and who isn't a troll i.e. should be kicked out is
>> often like arguing who and who isn't a pirate.
>>
>>
>> There were discussions in the past without almost any rules. I
>> consider it difficult if not arbitrary to setup rules just like so. If
>> rules are setup IMO it either should be decided by the list owner or
>>
>>
>> in a sufficiently democratised process. Either one is not easily
>> attainable; especially if contrasted with the possibility of setting
>> up a new list.
>>
>> Furthermore I'd like to note, that for international coordinators and
>>
>>
>> leaders already exists
>>  an
>> internal ML setup by PPI itself.
>> And of course in most jurisdictions you usually also have the
>> possibility to sue people that insult you or provide a platform for
>> that; just in case you think it gets really unacceptable for you.
>>
>>
>> That's the easy way. Given you are already certain someone wants to
>> troll, insult or flame you without any honest intention, why argue
>> with them? After all you're likely a digital native and should know
>>
>>
>> better what works and what not.
>>
>> -pat
>>
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