[pp.int.general] I had this dream once...

Sun Jun 30 16:55:36 CEST 2013

Yes, in PERFECT English this time. Learnt the lesson :) .

Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 23:57:34 +1000
From: mozart.palmer at pp-international.net
To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...

Ah, I see you've found the perfect word to describe your input.

On 30 June 2013 23:53, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com> wrote:

Thank you, Mozart. As I am sure you are a polyglot, was that a lesson in Australian, Canadian, British, American, or New Zealand English?

		coun·ter·pro·duc·tive  (kountr-pr-dktv)
adj. Tending to hinder rather than serve one's purpose: "Violation of the court order would be counterproductive" (Philip H. Lee).counter·pro·ductive·ly adv.
counterproductive [ˌkaʊntəprəˈdʌktɪv]adj tending to hinder or act against the achievement of an aimcoun•ter•pro•duc•tive  (ˌkaʊn tər prəˈdʌk tɪv)  

 adj.   thwarting the achievement of an intended goal; tending to defeat one's purpose.  [1960–65]  coun`ter•pro•duc′tive•ly, adv.   
Thesaurus Legend:  Synonyms Related Words AntonymsAdj.
1.counterproductive - tending to hinder the achievement of a goalharmful - causing or capable of causing harm; "too much sun is harmful to the skin"; "harmful effects of smoking"

 Translationscounterproductive [ˌkaʊntərprəˈdʌktɪv] adj [attitude, practice] → contre-productif/ive

it is counterproductive to do → c'est contre-productif de faire
counterproductive [ˌkaʊntəprəˈdʌktɪv] adj → controproducente

Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:57:54 +1000

From: mozart.palmer at pp-international.net
To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net

Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...

unproductive |ʌnprəˈdʌktɪv|
adjectivenot producing or able to produce large amounts of goods, crops, or other commodities: unproductive land must be reforested.

• (of an activity or period) not achieving much; not very useful: unproductive meetings.DERIVATIVESunproductively adverb,unproductiveness noun

On 30 June 2013 08:50, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com> wrote:

Do not waste your precious resources on something that improductive my friend, you have understood nothing.

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:21:22 +0200
> From: davidd at piratenpartij.nl

> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...

> 
> 
> For people like you i have organised a special party.
> 
> It's called the "bitter" party. only bitter people are allowed.
> 
> We will party with coffee that has gone cold, black chocolate, brussels 

> sprouts and chicory (raw).
> 
> people that still have a glimmer of hope left can go to Valio's party 
> instead. only embittered people are welcome at my party.
> 
> Cheers.
> 

> Antonio Garcia schreef op 29.06.2013 23:00:
> > Brussels/Kazan did everything possible to kill that dream, as it 
> > can't
> > be built on lies.
> >
> > Lies do not marry emotions all that well.

> >
> > Antonio.
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200
> >> From: pirate at valio.ch
> >> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net

> >> Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
> >>
> >> ...of pirate woodstock
> >>
> >> a festival...
> >> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded

> >> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
> >> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors,
> > but
> >> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over

> >> public wifi, remix with other and publish it
> >> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to
> >> promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate

> >
> >> radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by
> > a
> >> Flattr-like-mechanism
> >> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none

> >> (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying
> > to
> >> the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and
> >
> >> are allowed to call yourself part of the event

> >> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
> >>
> >> because
> >> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
> >> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that

> > is
> >> hardly eligible
> >> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't
> > depending
> >> on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all

> > art
> >> [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
> >> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
> >> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead

> > of
> >> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart
> > list
> >> [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]
> >> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is

> > not
> >> intended to be excluded by economical means
> >> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and
> >> speaking about how we want the world
> >>

> >> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
> >> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly
> > noticed.
> >> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll

> > call
> >> me an utopian fool.
> >>
> >> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
> >> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why

> > we
> >> are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes
> >> crusted very soon.
> >>
> >> -pat
> >>
> >> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license

> >> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
> >> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.info/

> >> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
> >> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.

> >>
> > 
> > http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf
> >> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math

> > http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
> >> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content
> >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content

> >> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
> >> https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html

> >> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here?
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs
> >>
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> Kandidaat Tweede Kamer 2012,
> Ledenraadslid 2013-
> Piratenpartij Nederland
> David.van.Deijk at piratenpartij.nl

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