[pp.int.general] European Pirates' logo

Muriel Rovira Esteva muriel at pirata.cat
Fri Nov 8 19:17:00 CET 2013 

Dear Jelena,

I think it would be probably more useful to the designer/design company
that we advertised a link to its web site, and not a site made by us which
links to their website... too many steps.

We could for instance include the name of the designer/company and a link
to his/her/its web page in the same post were we announce the winner logo.
If all the parties do that on their official Facebook/Twitter accounts,
that's already quite a share of visibility.  :)

I'm not sure what you mean by setting a deadline no longer than 2 weeks. If
you mean the deadline to present a logo and corporate identity, that has
already been set (you can read it in the regulations) for the 31st of
December.

Anyway, I think that you're being too optimistic, two weeks is the minimum
time that we would need to make the designers aware of the call, and only
being very effective. Besides, it's not only the logo, there is also the
corporate identity manual and so on. I think that the 31st of December is
already rather short notice, if you want high quality proposals. Specially
if you expect designers to do that on top of their daily job.

I believe that what you say about the logo being available for remixing and
that designs must be inspired on the PIRATES ideas should be already in the
regulation. Did you check? Please let me know if you can't see it because
it would be of course important.

Greetings,

          Muriel




2013/11/8 Jelena Jovanovic <jelena.the.one at gmail.com>

> very good!
>  you need one HTML page with description and benefits, and deadline should
> be set not longer then 2 weeks because designers are not motivated to think
> more than 3 days ahead :D
> and all you need is coordinated promotion of that page which we should
> send to our communities
> new logo should be available for remixing like pirate seal made by PP SE
> authors can get their name mentioned like here
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Young_Pirates_of_Europe_signet.svg
> Also focus should not be on benefits but on idea behind PP EU, it should
> drive them to design
>
> good luck!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Muriel <muriel.pirata at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Josef,
>>
>> I was talking about people participating in the selection commitee and
>> not the logo designers themselves. However, I think that's a brilliant
>> idea. We just have to propose it to the parties to see if they agree
>> and then add that as the prize.
>>
>> I will talk to the people organising it to see how it can be added
>> into the rules.  :)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>        Muriel
>>
>>
>> 2013/11/8 Josef Ohlsson Collentine <international at piratpartiet.se>:
>> > Payment is not always monetary. If coordinated a bit we could promise
>> > massive exposure to whoever wins the logo competition through Facebook
>> fan
>> > page mentions and website links from fairly high-ranking sites.
>> >
>> > The final result of the European logo is relevant for all countries
>> > participating in European Pirates and jointly they could easily send a
>> fair
>> > amount of exposure to a winners other projects.
>> >
>> > Kindly,
>> > Josef
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM,
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>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:49:47 +0100
>> >> From: Jelena Jovanovic <jelena.the.one at gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>> >>         <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Pirates' logo
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
>> >> <CADa9f3SG-7L1KRg6XEoEZTk8ojhGcGcLVdfvAMy4Dj6D5hzFpQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking for
>> >> creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative
>> >> committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask each
>> >> party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to
>> >> find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers, publicists,
>> >> media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection
>> >> committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party)."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have people I am working with for common good but it is very hard to
>> >> enroll them in Pirate parties. first because of previously formed bad
>> >> reputation (created by death threats of Aleksandar Blagojevic) and
>> second
>> >> because PP RS has no meetings so noting can be decided about new
>>  members.
>> >>
>> >> If you have any advice how to overcome  this, please do not hesitate to
>> >> share. I figured PP RS is not the only party with this kind of problem.
>> >>
>> >> Brgds
>> >>
>> >> JJ
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Muriel Rovira Esteva
>> >> <muriel at pirata.cat>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Dear all,
>> >> >
>> >> > The European pirate parties gathered at the Warsaw conference, agreed
>> >> > on the convenience of designating a committee of professional
>> >> > creatives that organised a selection process for the logo and
>> >> > corporate identity of the European Pirates.
>> >> >
>> >> > The call for proposals has been announced this weekend (2nd and 3rd
>> of
>> >> > November) in the Common Programme meeting in Athens:
>> >> >
>> >> > * The designers will have until the 31st of December to submit their
>> >> > proposals.
>> >> >
>> >> > * You can read below the set of rules that has been prepared for the
>> >> > selection process, or also in the following link:
>> >> >
>> https://eu.piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/ro.58lU1emocPWLpV4jrHD7BHL/rev.108
>> >> >
>> >> > Please do read them thoroughly before you submit your proposal,
>> >> > submissions that don't meet the technical requirements will not
>> >> > qualify.
>> >> >
>> >> > * An international committee of creative professionals may suggest
>> >> > improvements to the proposals submitted before the deadline, and will
>> >> > pre-select 5 logos (6 if there's a tie) that fulfil the technical
>> >> > requirements, are creatively interesting, and better represent the
>> >> > European Pirates values.
>> >> >
>> >> > * When the proposal pre-selection finishes at the beginning of 2014,
>> >> > the parties will have time until March to internally decide their
>> >> > vote. Preferably a few weeks before the meeting in Brussels: if we
>> >> > know in advance what the parties will vote, we may even be able to
>> >> > have some merchandising ready for its distribution at the founding.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking for
>> >> > creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative
>> >> > committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask
>> each
>> >> > party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to
>> >> > find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers,
>> publicists,
>> >> > media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection
>> >> > committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party).
>> >> >
>> >> > Keep in mind that designers involved in the selection process cannot
>> >> > submit their own proposals, so if you have an amazing logo designer,
>> >> > maybe it's better to engage him/her into submitting a proposal.   :)
>> >> >
>> >> > You can contact the organisers team at:
>> >> > pirates-logo at pirata.cat
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Best regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Juan Irache
>> >> > Coordinator of the Organising Team
>> >> >
>> >> > _________________________________
>> >> >
>> >> > REGULATION
>> >> >
>> >> > The parties that intend to found the European Pirates organise and
>> >> > call for proposals for the European Pirates logo and corporate
>> >> > identity selection process.
>> >> >
>> >> > Entering the process is free and open to individuals of any
>> nationality.
>> >> >
>> >> > * Requirements:
>> >> >
>> >> > Logo and corporate identity proposals must include in some way the
>> >> > usual pirate party logo: a P-shaped ship sail. The concept of Europe
>> >> > must also be
>> >> > present. The creative interpretation of this concept is flexible.
>> That
>> >> > is: not limited to the stars or a map.
>> >> >
>> >> > Submitted logos must include the name of the party and allow the
>> >> > adaptation to any of its legal forms, acronyms and translations
>> >> > (European
>> >> > Pirates, European Pirate Party, PIRATES, PPEU).
>> >> >
>> >> > It is advised to use a ratio between 1.5 *1 and 1 * 1,5.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vectorial files of every logo version must be included in the
>> >> > submission, as well as a JPG version 300 pixels wide.
>> >> >
>> >> > Adaptation to different names, along with general use, must be
>> >> > explained in a corporate identity manual. It is required to present a
>> >> > colour version and a black and white one, both including negative
>> >> > options. If necessary, a
>> >> > complementary version for small-support situations will also be
>> >> > included. The manual will also specify safety margins and examples of
>> >> > correct vs. incorrect uses of the logo.
>> >> >
>> >> > The manual will explain how to use the whole corporate identity in
>> >> > physical and digital supports (letters, websites, etc).
>> >> >
>> >> > Included typographies must be freely accessible and legally usable,
>> >> > without financial costs or need for attribution.
>> >> >
>> >> > Documents that will be taken into account during the voting process
>> >> > are: a 300 pixels wide JPG version of the logo and the PDF corporate
>> >> > identity manual.
>> >> >
>> >> > Designers have to submit their proposals to pirates-logo at pirata.cat.
>> >> >
>> >> > * Selection:
>> >> >
>> >> > A committee formed by international creatives will pre-select 5 logos
>> >> > (6 if a tie is reached) that fulfil the technical requirements, are
>> >> > creatively interesting and better represent the values of the
>> European
>> >> > Pirates.
>> >> >
>> >> > The members of this committee are not allowed to submit their own
>> >> > proposals.
>> >> >
>> >> > The parties that intend to found the European Pirates will assess the
>> >> > pre-selected proposals and decide their preference internally. Their
>> >> > votes will be made official at the European Pirates Founding
>> >> > Conference in Brussels (March 2014).
>> >> >
>> >> > * Deadlines:
>> >> >
>> >> > The submission deadline is December 31 2013. However, it is highly
>> >> > recommended to submit proposals before December 15. That way, the
>> >> > creative committee will assess the submissions and prepare
>> >> > recommendations so that participating designers can improve their
>> >> > proposals before the deadline.
>> >> >
>> >> > * Legal:
>> >> >
>> >> > By taking part in the selection process, designers refuse financial
>> >> > compensation. They sign over the rights of public communication,
>> >> > direct and indirect reproduction, distribution and transformation to
>> >> > European Pirates for the use of the work in every communication mode
>> >> > and in any network, for an unlimited period of time. Designers also
>> >> > state that they are the only authors of the submitted work and any
>> >> > pre-existing content has been used with an appropriate permission.
>> >> >
>> >> > The organisers decline any responsibility in case of bad or no
>> >> > reception of the contents, for any reason, as well as in case of
>> >> > Internet or email malfunctions that hider the correct development of
>> >> > the process.
>> >> >
>> >> > The organisers the right to modify or even cancel the selection
>> >> > process without notice in the case of force majeure that prevents the
>> >> > purposes of the process from being reached. This includes own and
>> >> > external technical problems. Likewise, the organisers reserve the
>> >> > right to modify, after notification, the present process regulation
>> >> > and to settle, to their best judgement, any situation not provided in
>> >> > the present regulation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Participation in the selection process implies full acceptance of the
>> >> > present regulation.
>> >> > ____________________________________________________
>> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> email:  jelena.jovanovic at pp-international.net
>> >> Twitter: @Miss_Cybernaut
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>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:10:36 +0100
>> >>
>> >> From: Muriel Rovira Esteva <muriel at pirata.cat>
>> >> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>> >>         <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Pirates' logo
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
>> >> <CAHE7GYyG6RavMR=MMvwab8oocO9MMUncss1fjfP1YnQFkXAreg at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> Well, in Pirates de Catalunya we organised an ad video festival to
>> select
>> >> our campaign video (  http://fap.pirata.cat/  ) and there was a mixed
>> jury
>> >> composed by Amelia, two members of pirate party boards, a movie critic,
>> >> two
>> >> movie directors, and a famous copyright lawyer (
>> >> http://fap.pirata.cat/jurado/  ). As far as I know, none of the last
>> four
>> >> members of the jury had anything to do with any pirate party.
>> >>
>> >> I don't see why this would be different. You can be involved in a
>> >> selection
>> >> process without being part of that orgnisation. This is just a
>> technical
>> >> decision on what design and corporate image better conveys the goals of
>> >> the
>> >> organisation, it does not mean that you endorse the European Pirates or
>> >> agree with it.
>> >>
>> >> The difference in this case is that, instead of a mixed jury, we have a
>> >> two
>> >> stage process: the technical commission and then the assemblies. This
>> way
>> >> all pirates can participate choosing the logo, and not just three.   :)
>> >>
>> >> Personally, the main problem I see is finding people who would be
>> willing
>> >> to do this for free. I can see someone who might find interesting to
>> add
>> >> in
>> >> his/her CV that they were asked to participate in the selection
>> comittee
>> >> bla bla bla... I have done things for free sometimes to add them to my
>> CV.
>> >> Or maybe someone would do it as a favour, just because we know them and
>> >> ask
>> >> them to do it. For the ad video festival in Pirates de Catalunya, this
>> was
>> >> arranged by Juan, the organiser, who used his personal contacts within
>> his
>> >> profession and asked them to help us. That's why I assume in this case
>> it
>> >> will be people we know as well.  :)
>> >>
>> >> However, I don't think the fact that the logo is for a party should be
>> a
>> >> problem for professionals not affiliated to the party to help us choose
>> >> it.
>> >>   :)
>> >>
>> >> Greetings,
>> >>
>> >>           Muriel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/11/8 Jelena Jovanovic <jelena.the.one at gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> > "Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking
>> for
>> >> > creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative
>> >> > committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask
>> each
>> >> > party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to
>> >> > find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers,
>> publicists,
>> >> > media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection
>> >> > committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party)."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I have people I am working with for common good but it is very hard
>> to
>> >> > enroll them in Pirate parties. first because of previously formed bad
>> >> > reputation (created by death threats of Aleksandar Blagojevic) and
>> >> > second
>> >> > because PP RS has no meetings so noting can be decided about new
>> >> > members.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you have any advice how to overcome  this, please do not hesitate
>> to
>> >> > share. I figured PP RS is not the only party with this kind of
>> problem.
>> >> >
>> >> > Brgds
>> >> >
>> >> > JJ
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Muriel Rovira Esteva
>> >> > <muriel at pirata.cat>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dear all,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The European pirate parties gathered at the Warsaw conference,
>> agreed
>> >> >> on the convenience of designating a committee of professional
>> >> >> creatives that organised a selection process for the logo and
>> >> >> corporate identity of the European Pirates.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The call for proposals has been announced this weekend (2nd and 3rd
>> of
>> >> >> November) in the Common Programme meeting in Athens:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> * The designers will have until the 31st of December to submit their
>> >> >> proposals.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> * You can read below the set of rules that has been prepared for the
>> >> >> selection process, or also in the following link:
>> >> >>
>> https://eu.piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/ro.58lU1emocPWLpV4jrHD7BHL/rev.108
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please do read them thoroughly before you submit your proposal,
>> >> >> submissions that don't meet the technical requirements will not
>> >> >> qualify.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> * An international committee of creative professionals may suggest
>> >> >> improvements to the proposals submitted before the deadline, and
>> will
>> >> >> pre-select 5 logos (6 if there's a tie) that fulfil the technical
>> >> >> requirements, are creatively interesting, and better represent the
>> >> >> European Pirates values.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> * When the proposal pre-selection finishes at the beginning of 2014,
>> >> >> the parties will have time until March to internally decide their
>> >> >> vote. Preferably a few weeks before the meeting in Brussels: if we
>> >> >> know in advance what the parties will vote, we may even be able to
>> >> >> have some merchandising ready for its distribution at the founding.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking
>> for
>> >> >> creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative
>> >> >> committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask
>> each
>> >> >> party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to
>> >> >> find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers,
>> publicists,
>> >> >> media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection
>> >> >> committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Keep in mind that designers involved in the selection process cannot
>> >> >> submit their own proposals, so if you have an amazing logo designer,
>> >> >> maybe it's better to engage him/her into submitting a proposal.   :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You can contact the organisers team at:
>> >> >> pirates-logo at pirata.cat
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Juan Irache
>> >> >> Coordinator of the Organising Team
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _________________________________
>> >> >>
>> >> >> REGULATION
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The parties that intend to found the European Pirates organise and
>> >> >> call for proposals for the European Pirates logo and corporate
>> >> >> identity selection process.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Entering the process is free and open to individuals of any
>> >> >> nationality.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> * Requirements:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Logo and corporate identity proposals must include in some way the
>> >> >> usual pirate party logo: a P-shaped ship sail. The concept of Europe
>> >> >> must also be
>> >> >> present. The creative interpretation of this concept is flexible.
>> That
>> >> >> is: not limited to the stars or a map.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Submitted logos must include the name of the party and allow the
>> >> >> adaptation to any of its legal forms, acronyms and translations
>> >> >> (European
>> >> >> Pirates, European Pirate Party, PIRATES, PPEU).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It is advised to use a ratio between 1.5 *1 and 1 * 1,5.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Vectorial files of every logo version must be included in the
>> >> >> submission, as well as a JPG version 300 pixels wide.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Adaptation to different names, along with general use, must be
>> >> >> explained in a corporate identity manual. It is required to present
>> a
>> >> >> colour version and a black and white one, both including negative
>> >> >> options. If necessary, a
>> >> >> complementary version for small-support situations will also be
>> >> >> included. The manual will also specify safety margins and examples
>> of
>> >> >> correct vs. incorrect uses of the logo.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The manual will explain how to use the whole corporate identity in
>> >> >> physical and digital supports (letters, websites, etc).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Included typographies must be freely accessible and legally usable,
>> >> >> without financial costs or need for attribution.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Documents that will be taken into account during the voting process
>> >> >> are: a 300 pixels wide JPG version of the logo and the PDF corporate
>> >> >> identity manual.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Designers have to submit their proposals to pirates-logo at pirata.cat
>> .
>> >> >>
>> >> >> * Selection:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A committee formed by international creatives will pre-select 5
>> logos
>> >> >> (6 if a tie is reached) that fulfil the technical requirements, are
>> >> >> creatively interesting and better represent the values of the
>> European
>> >> >> Pirates.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The members of this committee are not allowed to submit their own
>> >> >> proposals.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The parties that intend to found the European Pirates will assess
>> the
>> >> >> pre-selected proposals and decide their preference internally. Their
>> >> >> votes will be made official at the European Pirates Founding
>> >> >> Conference in Brussels (March 2014).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> * Deadlines:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The submission deadline is December 31 2013. However, it is highly
>> >> >> recommended to submit proposals before December 15. That way, the
>> >> >> creative committee will assess the submissions and prepare
>> >> >> recommendations so that participating designers can improve their
>> >> >> proposals before the deadline.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> * Legal:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> By taking part in the selection process, designers refuse financial
>> >> >> compensation. They sign over the rights of public communication,
>> >> >> direct and indirect reproduction, distribution and transformation to
>> >> >> European Pirates for the use of the work in every communication mode
>> >> >> and in any network, for an unlimited period of time. Designers also
>> >> >> state that they are the only authors of the submitted work and any
>> >> >> pre-existing content has been used with an appropriate permission.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The organisers decline any responsibility in case of bad or no
>> >> >> reception of the contents, for any reason, as well as in case of
>> >> >> Internet or email malfunctions that hider the correct development of
>> >> >> the process.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The organisers the right to modify or even cancel the selection
>> >> >> process without notice in the case of force majeure that prevents
>> the
>> >> >> purposes of the process from being reached. This includes own and
>> >> >> external technical problems. Likewise, the organisers reserve the
>> >> >> right to modify, after notification, the present process regulation
>> >> >> and to settle, to their best judgement, any situation not provided
>> in
>> >> >> the present regulation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Participation in the selection process implies full acceptance of
>> the
>> >> >> present regulation.
>> >> >> ____________________________________________________
>> >> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> >> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> >>
>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > email:  jelena.jovanovic at pp-international.net
>> >> > Twitter: @Miss_Cybernaut
>> >> > Skype: [image: Skype/] jjpress  About me:  about.me/cybernaut
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ____________________________________________________
>> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
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