[pp.int.general] Pirates classified under National Security rules in teh US

[Andrew Norton]

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On 9/11/2013 8:47 AM, Ryan Moffitt wrote:
> Well, isnt that something... Ill submit a FOIA request for the USPP and
> the Florida PP. I ran for office from the FLPP so Im curious what, if
> anything they have on us.

It's 'something' yes. However my understanding is that the 'something'
is 'the standard glomar response'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_response

Here's some guidance on Privacy Glomaraization from 27 years ago
http://www.justice.gov/oip/foia_updates/Vol_VII_1/page3.htm

So, basically, you're asking for investigative records, and they won't
confirm or deny there are such (because confirming indicates there has
been some sort of investigation, while denying also confirms there
hasn't been)

In reality, there's no 'story' here, and certainly no response that will
be obtained other than the same form letter.

BTW, many of the things invovling the NSA are going to fall under one of
the exemptions from the 1976 Government in the Sunshine act
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)#The_1976_Government_in_the_Sunshine_Act_amendments)
which is why generally you have to sue to get anything more than a
glomar response, or a denial under the GITSA exceptions.

So, unless you're ready to waste a lot of money on lawsuits, don't bother.

Andrew
Spokesman, PPGA
Governor, PPUK

> 
> On Sep 11, 2013 8:13 AM, "Jelena Jovanovic" <jelena.the.one at gmail.com
> <mailto:jelena.the.one at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     PICTURE EVIDENCE ATTACHED TO MAIL
> 
>     Raymond Johansen PPNO/PPUK
>     Ad: Pirates classified under National secuity in teh US
>     Action: Please evaluate if all PP`s should send at least one FOIA
>     request each. Collect teh results and try to analyse teh results and
>     then take action.
> 
>     Posted today:
>     https://www.facebook.com/johansen.raymond/posts/10151535977546910
> 
>     #ALERT #Pirates | Real #FOIA response | Pirates are #Terrorists
>     Here you will find teh evidence that NSA at best considers that
>     information on Pirates are withheld as a matter of national security.
>     At worst classified as terrorists. Teh FOIA request was made by local
>     pirates in Germany.
>     What worries this pirate teh most is that as soon as a whole group,
>     like pirates, are classified under the Excec order, (mentioned in teh
>     comment section), intel agencies are allowed to use tools that are
>     really invasive. Please share this so that we a least understands teh
>     risks that we face.
>     Resources:
>     Excecutive order that is teh basis for NSA`s actions:
>     http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information
> 
>     Source for images: http://www.piraten-trier.de/
> 
>     Want to check yourself? Write to:
>     National Security Agency
>     ATTN: FOIA Office (DJ4)
>     9800 Savage Road STE 6248
>     Ft. George G. Meade, MD 20755-6248
>     Subject : FOIA Request on indexed records to my name
> 
>     EFF on FOIA: https://www.eff.org/search/site/FOIA
> 
> 
>     --
> 
>     email:  jelena.jovanovic at pp-international.net
>     <mailto:jelena.jovanovic at pp-international.net>
>     Twitter: @Miss_Cybernaut
> 
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