[pp.int.general] germany election

[Dario]

Please, keep constructive.

Try to turn negativity to actionable ideas to improve.


2013/9/25 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>

> That may be a clever comment, Charly, even if debatable.
>
> But do not forget: "To be good at something, one need about ten years of
> good clever studying, training, trying."
>
> I've got almost 30 years of that. The way our movement thinks it can
> work... I will always be outvoted by the careless fools that have gotten
> free reign with their simple numerical majority.
>
> Supported by the foolish careerists like out Überchief who think they can
> manage foolish crowds to their advantage, damn logic, damn ethic, damn
> values, damn Statutes, and damn stupid fools.
>
> Everyone who did nothing since the staged PPI GA in Kazan/Brussels being
> one of them fools.
>
>
> Antonio.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:34:38 +0200
> From: charly.pache at gmail.com
>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] germany election
>
> I think as well than our movement to be successful do not need a full
> program. Anyway apolitic citizen don't waste their time reading it, full
> program is boring. We need VALUES, PROPOSALS and good AMBASSADORS who get
> involved into campaigns, society projects, even outside politics. The more
> we will do so, the more we will get media attention. Citizen vote for
> people they know, trust and appreciate. And we can't build this so quickly.
> To be good at something, one need about ten years of good clever studying,
> training, trying. And we have to get rid of classic party schemes. We have
> to act as freely connected individuals towards same goals/projects
> (falkvinge swarmwise). The less power concentration inside a party, the
> better we will succeed. Think about it every day ;)
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> Strange recommendation, coming from one of the least aware Germans :)
>
> Always looking at the bright side of illusions.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:42:03 +0200
> From: squig at dfpx.de
>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] germany election
>
> 13% of Swedes are considering voting Pirates, that doesn't mean that they
> will (or that Piratpartiet is at 13% on the polls). It's still awesome, but
> lets keep our feet on the ground.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Francisco George <
> francisco.george at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't mess up elections, people don't vote the same for a city council,
> regional elections or a federal one the reasoning for the vote is completly
> different. In Sweden PiratPartiet is polling at 13% for EU elections, the
> double than what they got in EU elections in 2008 and a lot more that they
> had in their State elections.
>
>
> 2013/9/24 carlo von lynX <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 05:28:50PM +0200, Anton Nordenfur wrote:
> > "if you don't count the people who voted first time" is a horribly big
> > "if". Don't overanalyse things and try to find the worst in the results,
>
> considering that at some point in time about a 10% of the german
> population was willing to give some new folks a chance, it really
> doesn't matter if we ended up 0.2% above or below the previous
> result. it's a terrible crash in any case.
>
> i spent some time collecting all the criticism and analysis,
> especially from the press, and looking at possible solutions
> to the mess.. (in german of course:)
>     https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Wahlen/Bund/2013/Analyse
>
> i'll translate the rough topics:
>
> - promise of digital participation
>   (failure to introduce a permanent assembly)
> - discipline & fairness (measures to stop twitter shitstorms
>   and suboptimal interaction with the press)
> - networking (ability to mobilize supporters and members)
> - handling of the nsa scandal situation (journalists didn't
>   like us bashing the government about it)
> - better legitimation of the board
> - sorting out priorities in political issues (hello cal!)
> - definition of transparency and "social liberal"
> - communicate parliamentary work getting done
> - less folklore
> - strategy concerning faces in public
> - presence on the streets between elections
> - dealing with false news stories
>
> you may find some of them familiar. note that most of these
> points were brought up by *outside observers(!)* writing for
> spiegel, heise and especially golem.
>
> the good news is, there are ideas out there to handle each
> of the problems. all it takes is the political will and
> consensus to take action soon enough to save our europe
> 2014 campaign.
>
> in fact, if we want to get going on a european scale, the
> german pirate party must get back on its feet in no time
> and make positive international press headlines before the
> year is thru.
>
> i firmly believe we can get back on track if the will to
> learn the lessons from the analysis exists. actually we
> could take everyone by surprise.
>
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Dario Castañé
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