[pp.int.general] LQFB: status quo in Germany // was: liquid feedback papers and/or data?

[aloa5]

Eduardo Robles Elvira schrieb:
> Hello Aloa:
....
> the whole system fail. This is why I usually prefer to have them first
> separated, then maybe we can try to join two successful methods, one for
> voting and another for discussion. Maybe I'm wrong and too conservative
> here, that's just what I feel right.....

It´s (not?) a question if there is a possibility.

What I wrote is a "fact". It´s that what LQFB does - how it works (or not).

Lynx as a normal LQFB-liker said "you have not understood LQFB" to me. 
Well. It is not a question if LQFB was made for working in a special way 
or not. It is also not a question if it works how it should or not. The 
core problem is that this tool requires a special enviroment so that the 
outcome in the end is acceptable. It´s not a question if there is a 
binding or if it is transparent or not.

---> Which quality [input]
---> Wich quality ["discussion"-phase.... what is a joke if we speak 
about some hundred of special questions at the same time]
---> Wich quality [delegation phase]
---> Wich quality [output]

The technical point of view is not really important. For every of these 
4 quality-steps we can see the problem not only of a working tool but 
also of this type of democracy.

Actually LQFB has a
-> low quality of input (wich is not it´s job - per design)
-> no quality of discussion (wich is not it´s job -- per design)
-> no quality of delegation (wich is not it´s job -- per design)
-> no quality of output

That are no problems if you use the tool for voting e.g. in a meeting of 
100 specialists. HQ input, discussed thousand times before, everyone 
knows about the knowledge of the others, HQ output related to the steps 
before.

And again: it´s not a question if you use 1 tool for both or 2 tools or 
5 tools or if you discuss via twitter or find a suitable person on whom 
you wish to delegate at the toilet. The "fact" is that the enviroment of 
"informed people" [topic; potential delegations; whatever] does not 
exist. And because of this it´s just an accident if the output is HQ.