[pp.int.general] [AG Liquid Democracy] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?

[Betiel]

I always wanted to create some collaborative project to do all the tools we
want just the way  we want.
I`m afraid I do not have time to take the wheel and start it, neither to
program them :(
But, as we have the pirate times, I believe creating a programming project
would be nice!
So I throw the idea to the list.

Betiel


2014-06-02 6:46 GMT-03:00 Martin Stolze <pirate.martin at stolze.cc>:

> Hey Jacob,
> Thanks a lot that is one exciting idea! I try to look at approaches mostly
> under the aspect of whether they can work and create traction. There are a
> few criteria that I found significant. Simplicity, is the most important of
> them. Think about limesurvey, the only tool producing any meaningful
> feedback as of now.
> Anything "Meinungsfindungstool" is like 10 Degrees more complex and for
> that it seems to be not implementable right now. - And who speaks German
> anyway? ;)
>
> I like to think of it like layers of an onion. The first layer must be
> very simple, not even as complex as “yes” or “no”. Just a simple "like/+1"
> may suffice. This and a focus on seamless integration to wherever people
> spend their time must be the priority. Once somebody is hooked we can go
> down the rabbit whole and do all the “Meinungsfindung”.
> - It’s what I like about Silicon Valley and placeavote.com, they keep it
> simple and deliver something appealing, the rest is iteration. In contrast,
> udeci.de seems to take the opposite approach.
>
> Best Regards
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Jacob Kanev <j_kanev at arcor.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> you might also want to connect with the people from our "AG
>> Meinungsfindungstool" [1]. They're busy implementing something called
>> qKonsens, an online system that combines voting and discussing.
>>
>> I'm not sure how far it is, I haven't followed the discussion in detail,
>> but as far as I can see some good ideas have met some programmers.
>>
>> Lots of regards, Jacob.
>>
>> [1]
>> ag-meinungsfindungstool at lists.piratenpartei.de
>>
>>
>> On Sunday 01 June 2014 20:49:39 Martin Stolze wrote:
>> > ​​
>> > Hi Together,
>> > I keep arguing that a lack of infrastructure is actually our biggest
>> > challenge. I guess, by now, it is safe to say that we don't actually
>> have
>> > the capacity to build something ample ourselves (Liquid Feedback, shitty
>> > mailing lists, limesurvey you name it). The way I see it is that we
>> simply
>> > don't manage to activate the talent that would be necessary to develop
>> > something pioneering. All the good ideas and innovations coupled with
>> our
>> > lofty idealism is worth nothing if nobody is pouring them into Java or
>> PHP.
>> >
>> > The guys at placeavote.com have been gone through the news as they try
>> to
>> > shoehorn direct democracy into any form of electoral system by means of
>> > levering it out and replacing politicians with proxies that only relay
>> > decisions made by the corresponding constituency.
>> >
>> > Of course implementation, especially in the US, is highly unlikely.
>> However
>> > using it at least internally to a certain degree or forking it a little
>> can
>> > be a chance for us to move out of the technological middle ages that we
>> are
>> > stuck in.
>> >
>> > It also seems not to be open source (yet?) but I am thinking more along
>> the
>> > lines of sweet-talking the guys behind it into working for us as some
>> kind
>> > of software consultants, maybe we can flatter them with a bit of the
>> cash
>> > that should come our way in form of election refunds?
>> > ​ :)​
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>>
>> --
>>    ____________________________
>>    Pungenday, 7th of Confusion, 3180.
>>    jacob kanev
>>      twitter: @j_kanev
>>      jabber: jkanev at jabber.ccc.de
>>
>>
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