[pp.int.general] 19.04.2014 - Stop TTIP Protests - worldwide - fight the ACTA zombies !

Kine Haasler kine.haasler at piraten-osnabrueck.de
Fri Mar 28 19:31:37 CET 2014 

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Hi,

I said it already on Twitter: It´s a difficult date in Germany too.
Not only holidays/Holy Saturday.. Have a look at
http://cologne.stopwatchingus.info/demo-12-april.html.  You won´t get
many people to organize big demonstrations (beside pirates ;) ) or to
mobilize for demonstrations on 2014-4-19 in Germany.

Just in case...: Next INDECT-Demos will be on 17. May 2014
(http://pastebin.com/8hPqnUw9).

Kine



Am 28.03.14 12:46, schrieb Pirat at LennStar.de:
> I was told that several organisations looked at there calenders
> and said "there is nothing, we can do it then".
> 
> Well... there is probably a reason why there is nothing else 
> planned.
> 
> 
> Z. not WE have to change it - if you need another date, DO IT. If 
> you have 20 demos on another date in Poland, and there are still 
> only 6 others, then propably the others can change it.
> 
> I am not happy about that day, too. We also have holiday problems.
> 
> 
> LennStar
> 
> 
> Am 28.03.2014 12:07, schrieb Zbigniew Łukasiak:
>> 19th of April is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Saturday - 
>> this is a no go for us in Poland.
>> 
>> Sorry - but you have to change the date.
>> 
>> Z.
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Zbigniew Łukasiak 
>> <zzbbyy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hmm
>>> 
>>> How did you choose the date for the demos?
>>> 
>>> I've tried to contact some organizations and they don't know 
>>> anything about this.
>>> 
>>> Maybe we should sent a doodle to all the NGOs that we want to 
>>> invite?
>>> 
>>> http://doodle.com/z3pep2mf6d9wivnx
>>> 
>>> This is the way to get them on board. People don't want to
>>> join an event that they have no say in creating it.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Zbigniew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Torben Lechner 
>>> <hyazinthe at emailn.de> wrote:
>>>> Ah, I see what you are heading for: Avoiding double work by 
>>>> only using the wiki for collecting demo location entries. 
>>>> Yeah, this is definitely something which one can do...I like 
>>>> you. You have good ideas; I've put it into action: 
>>>> http://stopttipprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Demo_location_entries_in_protestmap
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
To your Contact question:
>>>> Well, here are all organizations listed, which were 
>>>> incorporated regarding the stopACTA protests (click on 
>>>> "Organisationen"): 
>>>> http://wiki.stoppacta-protest.info/index.php?title=Support&oldid=2547
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
We definitely could need someone who does nothing else but contacting
all thinkable organizations with individualized templates, in order to
make them join the protest - well, who does that ? :D
>>>> And last thought: You asked for AK-Vorrat - I'sd suggest 
>>>> prioritizing all organizations outside Germany; most german 
>>>> NGOs are very difficult to handle these days, especially now 
>>>> in election time. I bet that in other countries than Germany 
>>>> it's more easy to make organizations participate, especially 
>>>> USA, as over there no elections are soon ;) ... as soon as 
>>>> some NGOs in other countries participate, it's far easier to 
>>>> address german NGOs...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings, / aka Oliver
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Von: Zbigniew ?ukasiak 
>>>> <zzbbyy at gmail.com> Datum: 27.03.2014 21:49:41 An: Torben 
>>>> Lechner <hyazinthe at emailn.de> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] 
>>>> 19.04.2014 - Stop TTIP Protests - worldwide -  fight the
>>>> ACTA zombies !
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thumbs up for creating the wiki!
>>>>> 
>>>>> So what is the procedure that you propose? I think that 
>>>>> most newcomers will edit the pad - so it will be probably 
>>>>> our task to synchronize it with the wiki. Wiki can look 
>>>>> better than pad - so it might be more 'official' and we
>>>>> can use it in outside communication probably.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One question - do you have contacts from other 
>>>>> organizations? Like AKVorrat?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers, Zbigniew
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Torben Lechner 
>>>>> <hyazinthe at emailn.de> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> first of all: Sry for the delay !
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. The new neutral wiki in default-english - 
>>>>>> https://stopttipprotest.wikia.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - it's heavily under construction right now, so don't 
>>>>>> wonder how it
>>>>> looks right now...
>>>>>> - it's a rather new wiki version - you don't need to log 
>>>>>> in or be registered in order to edit ! (pro
>>>>> easy access)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2. This is the polish sub page - 
>>>>>> https://stopttipprotest.wikia.com/wiki/PL:Overview_Demos
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - do with it what you like ;) ... - I think it's also a 
>>>>>> good idea to link it in the protestmap, at least
>>>>> temporarily.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3. Currently there are 4 countries participating and on 
>>>>>> the demo location
>>>>> level 7 cities:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://mapsengine.google.com/map/viewer?mid=z2_7kVjvOAF0.kJGmGBbsABbM
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
C'mon, folks. Can't be all. What's with the US pirates ? What's with
>>>>> the french pirates ?
>>>>>> The spanish pirates ? The canadian pirates ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Entry a demo location + relate wiki page or facebook 
>>>>>> event page with
>>>>> promise option here: http://titanpad.com/19thaprilprotests
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greetings, / aka Oliver
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Von: Zbigniew ?ukasiak 
>>>>>> <zzbbyy at gmail.com> Datum: 27.03.2014 13:29:37 An: Torben 
>>>>>> Lechner <hyazinthe at emailn.de>,       Pirate Parties
>>>>> International -- General Talk 
>>>>> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] 19.04.2014 - Stop TTIP 
>>>>>> Protests - worldwide
>>>>> -  fight the ACTA zombies !
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yesterday at the pad it was decided that we need a
>>>>>>> wiki with default
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> English localization - is it ready now?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It looks like this subject gets very heated right now 
>>>>>>> in Poland
>>>>> - so
>>>>>>> we need to start quickly with the organization of
>>>>>>> demos and gathering
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> of TTIP info materials.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Polish Ministry of Economy organizes some 
>>>>>>> consultations on April
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3rd for NGOs, we'll try to get there or pass our 
>>>>>>> questions to the
>>>>> NGOs
>>>>>>> that will be invited. Do you guys have questions?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here is my list:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. Can the Ministry assure us that TTIP will not 
>>>>>>> introduce software
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> patents into Poland? 2. Can the Ministry assure us
>>>>>>> that TTIP will not cause restrictions
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> fair use of copyrighted materials? 3. Can the Ministry 
>>>>>>> assure us that after signing TTIP Poland will
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> still hold sovereign right to shorten the time of 
>>>>>>> copyright protection
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> or increase the fair use?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I remember also from the TTIP discussion at PPUE 
>>>>>>> meeting that TTIP
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> advertised using only the best case scenario 
>>>>>>> calculations and the
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> realistic case are never mentioned - but I am 
>>>>>>> struggling with making
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> concrete question out of this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers, Zbigniew ?ukasiak
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> Zbigniew Lukasiak http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/ 
>>>>> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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