[pp.int.general] Recent events involving PPI

[Andrew Norton]

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On 3/6/2015 5:04 PM, Thomas Gaul wrote:
> Hi Andrew!
> 
> Your are an artist. A great one! So YMMD!
> 
> And sorry for laughing aloud about your derailing tonight.

You call it derailing - many of us call it "rational debate on the facts
concerning the activities a group that purports to speak for us all"

If you don't like being called out on shit, then don't do shitty things.

> 
> Or using your wording from today on a different channel: 
> 
> " if SWeden and iceland leave, I think ppi will be finished
> they're two 'big' parties (one the founder, the other the only one in a
> national parliament on its own terms)"
> 
> Your intention is obvious. Bye bye!

Yes, my intention IS obvious, it's never been anything but. My intention
is, and always has been to make PPI best achieve it's goals. At present,
I think EVERYONE can see it's not.

You seem to think that the Board = PPI, and therefore if you're against
the Board, you're against PPI. I wouldn't have an issue if you went
about things COMPETENTLY, but instead it's all selfishly. PURE
Dunning-kruger.

What other 'intent' do you ascribe? That I'm somehow using my wily
influence to infiltrate and subvert the PPI? As the PPUK's international
coordinator said when Gregory made those claims against me a short time
ago, I'm not that persuasive., and I didn't need to be. Every member of
the UK Board gets the leaders lists, and I think the party executive did
too. I think it's ok to say now that there was only one dissenting voice
out of all of them for leaving, and that includes many who have dealt
personally with you. The lone dissenter voted no because they didn't
think the specifics of the proposal matches the referenced data, but
they did have significant questions over recent PPI Board activities.

I didn't do anything except propose the vote, I didn't have to. You, as
a board, did it far better than any outsider possibly could.

And yes, I know you're on #ppi.

> 
> Thanks anyway for you help to PPI before it had been founded. My filter is
> active again on this specific mailing list.
> 
> (Get a life would be the appropriate saying - no I don't say it.)
> 
> I wish you all the best in life! LLAP
> 
> Thomas
> (being here on my own - which is allowed for you as you stated but not for
> others)

Oh, you're more than welcome to say things 'on your own behalf'. You
don't get the ability to pick and choose between being PPI 'chief admin
officer', and PP-DE representative to PPI though, because the statutes
specifically state you can't. The wording is about as clear as it's
possible to be. So either you know that, and don't care, in which case
you're not exactly a suitable person to hold such a role; or you have
difficulty understanding such a concept in which case you're not
competent to fulfil the role.

I have to admit, I really did think it was the former, but as time goes
on, evidence is mounting that it's the latter.

As for me, I understood the intent behind the rule. You can't represent
the international movement as a whole AND a national/regional movement
to that international group.
Even if there is no actual bias, it gives the impression of bias to the
other members. Conversely, the state party will be less likely to get a
report that may be critical, because it's unlikely they will criticize
themself.
It's a lose-lose all around, and it doesn't matter even if there is no
bias, just the implication or appearance of bias can be as detrimental.
Especially in an organisation whose founding principles is supposed to
be against that.

In fact I understood it so well, that when I did take over PPI, the
first thing I did was resign my position with USPP, because I didn't
want to give the impression that USPP activities would influence any
actions.

So the better question is this - why is it so important for both you,
and Gregory, to retain your positions as PP-DE's international
coordinators?

Doubt we'll get any answer to that though.

- -- 
Andrew Norton
http://ktetch.co.uk
Tel: +1(352)6-KTETCH [+1-352-658-3824]
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