[pp.int.general] Communication Plan

[Jelena Jovanovic]

Wow, Antonio, are you going to post dick pics now on this list?
Whats this macho guts - balls thingy, can somepony do proper tl;dr pliz?

Zbigniev communicated THE NEED for rules. I see wars already started...
I believe mailing lists, especially this one, are venom of political work:
http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2016/Other_proposals#MO-2

We cannot change people, but we can change rules for mailing lists. For
instance, this list was comfortably abandoned by everyone except the
darkest matter of this pirate universe,  and I'd like to keep it that way.



On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Should I give a damn what excuses you or anybody else accepts for himself
> to forsake logic and ethic?
>
>
> Be a kiddy ;). You have good company.
> ------------------------------
> *De:* pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net <
> pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net> en nombre de Jay
> Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com>
> *Enviado:* martes, 2 de agosto de 2016 3:48:51
> *Para:* Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> *Asunto:* Re: [pp.int.general] Communication Plan
>
> Antonio Garcia.
>
> Even if your attempt to slander turned out to be valid information I
> cannot take anyone with a hotmail email seriously.
>
> Again, send my regards to Mr. Norton and his handlers:
> http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/gchq-biggest-trolls-nsa-edward-snowden-jtrig/
>
> <3 Jay
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Of course, you CAN censor whatever you want... with GUTS ;)).
>>
>>
>> Which you have not shown to have, up till now.
>>
>>
>> https://samedokan.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/klarmachen-zum-kentern/
>>
>>
>> https://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/
>>
>>
>> https://samedokan.wordpress.com/2016/05/20/can-doing-nothing-be-the-future-of-democracy/
>>
>>
>> #PPIGA16 was still another fucking #pirate joke.
>>
>>
>>
>> Antonio.
>> ------------------------------
>> *De:* pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net <
>> pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net> en nombre de
>> Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>
>> *Enviado:* lunes, 1 de agosto de 2016 13:31:30
>> *Para:* Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>> *Asunto:* [pp.int.general] Communication Plan
>>
>> From the yesterdays board meeting:
>>
>> """
>> In order to improve communication, and overall visibility, an action
>> plan needs to be developed. The present task is: - an open discussion
>> regarding on the ways to improve the communication channels - a
>> virtual workshop which aims to deliver a comprehensive communication
>> plan as of next PPI Board meeting for review and acceptance. The
>> communication plan will incorporate the feedback presented by Members
>> during the GA as well as the outcome of several bilateral discussions.
>> """
>>
>>
>> http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Minutes_2016_07_31#11_-_Communication_plan_draft
>>
>> Lets start the discussion.
>>
>>
>> I have written many times at this mailing list that we need some kind
>> of moderation - because the list in current state repels people. I
>> have talked to many previously active participants in the discussions
>> here - and not many of them still read the list. We need a way to
>> improve the quality of the discussions here.
>>
>> It is not yet decided if we want to keep the mailing list or maybe if
>> we want to move the discussions to a forum - but I think we can afford
>> to have both.
>>
>> What I think is needed for the list:
>>
>> 1. More equal voice for all participants - so that it will not be
>> possible that one user is flooding the list with emails. This can be
>> done by restricting the amount of emails each participant can send to
>> the list in a given time (for example to one daily or two weekly).
>> This rule can be enforced automatically and it would be impartial.
>> This will mean that we'll need some ways to guard against sockpuppets.
>>
>> 2. We need to encourage people to put some effort into writing the
>> emails - so that they are written clearly and easy to understand.
>> Again limiting the frequency of emails each user can send to the list
>> should improve the situation in this regard as well. But it would
>> probably be not enough. Maybe we need some guides - like
>> http://paulgraham.com/disagree.html ? Or maybe we need to some out of
>> the list feedback mechanism?
>>
>> 3. Maybe we'll need moderation (from time to time?) to weed out the
>> extremely vicious. But this will be hard to do well. We'd need some
>> concrete guidelines for the moderators, decide who will oversee the
>> moderators etc. I have not seen anything really vicious at this
>> mailing list so far - even Antonio would be bearable if he was limited
>> to two emails a week - but this might change in the future if we make
>> the list more popular.
>>
>>
>> One note on rules and norms.
>>
>> We can guide/force people to act in a way we wish they do in three ways:
>> - by limiting what they can do (by automatic enforcement - for example
>> making the list server limit the amount of emails each email address
>> can send to the list per a given time period)
>> - by making rules - do what we want or otherwise we'll do something to
>> you (if you troll the list the moderator can remove you from it)
>> - by norms - which are like guidelines describing what we want you to
>> do, but don't have any explicit enforcement mechanism
>>
>> Automatic enforcement is the most impartial, easiest to enforce and
>> least flexible, norms are the least impartial, hardest to establish
>> and enforce - but the most flexible, rules are somewhere in between.
>>
>> We'll probably need all three tools.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Zbigniew
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> Jay Emerson
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