<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">----- Mensaje original ----<br>De: Jan Huwald <jh@sotun.de><br>Enviado: sábado, 19 de enero, 2008 10:40:23<br>> The wiki is a wiki, so feel free to and/or change stuff.<br>><br>> But I'll recommend not to determine the schedule too fine grained,
because our discussion will drift away towards what<br>> we (as a group) think is the
most important and not neccessarily towards what individuals prepared.<br><br>Yes, it's OK for me and others to add discussion points to the schedule wiki page; simply I wanted to find out common interests about what to discuss before editing the wiki -precisely to avoid unappropriate wiki modifications with so few days remaining to the beginning of the Conference-.<br><br>Anyway, how to find out what we (as a group) think, if we don't previously know what the individuals (the national parties) think? Dialogue uses to be the best way to get individuals closer; I know that you agree, as you propose in your mail to show each party's stances and compare all of them :) OK to not excessively fine graining the schedule -due primarily to the lack of time, as you comment later-, though as you also comment later in your mail some specifications would be recommendable.<br><br>> I also think that the manifest is too big to discuss on a weekend - we
should focus an disucssing how to finish the<br>> manifest (decision-making) and
the many other howtos (European pirate party).<br><br>Well it seems reasonable :) Then we can first define the decision-making procedures and, later, work with the manifesto -rather than <span style="font-style: italic;">finishing</span> (it sounds like <a href="http://www.piratpartiet.se/wiki/Pirate_Manifesto"><span style="font-weight: bold;">that manifesto</span></a> were the official draft) would may be preferable to talk about <span style="font-style: italic;">developing</span> and <span style="font-style: italic;">completely evaluating</span>-. Of course a weekend may be not enough time for the manifesto, then ... we may create a group -kind of online constituent assembly- to work on it after the Berlin Conference and during the 6-month gap between Berlin and Uppsala -to make possible that in Uppsala we would may have the first chance to pass a definitive manifesto-.<br><br>> For preparation we can ask every party to prepare their stance on key
issues like<br>><br>> 1. programmatical development and the no-other-issues-issue<br>> 2. pereferred relation to an European Pirate Party (regarding party
members, finances, decisions, subordinating, ...)<br>> 3. coordination of international _work_ (not decisions) between
conferences <br>> 4. what else?<br>> <br>> and compare them, like we compare the progress each party has made.
This would ease the following discussion by<br>> detecting differences and
similarities<br><br>It's OK for us :) When would it be discussed? I mean, it may be too many contents for just three hours on saturday afternoon -unless we just use saturday afternoon for the third of your points (which by the way perfectly fit); the second one would may also fit but ... not sure about how would we handle that two points in just three hours-; and though we have four more hours at sunday morning for the first point -not seems to fit in the saturday morning session-, you put in the schedule wiki page that "<span style="font-style: italic;">some people might be departing already during this session</span>". If this issue -in which sessions allocate those points- is solved I would gladly dare to include the points you propose in the wiki :)
Regards<br><br><br> Carlos
Ayala<br> ( Aiarakoa )<br><br> Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<br></div></div><br>
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