<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">----- Mensaje original ----<br>De: Jan Huwald <jh@sotun.de><br>Enviado: martes, 5 de febrero, 2008 21:15:54<br>> Carlos,
please
fix
your
quotation
line
breaks!<br><br>It's a Yahoo! issue -<span style="font-style: italic;">feature</span> :)-<br><br>> > What
I
think
RIcardo
was
saying
-as
he
said
it
as
an
answer
to
my
former
mail-
is
that
it
would
be
dangerous
that<br>> > people
finally
think
of
circumvention
of
laws
as
a
solution
against
harmful
laws/court
judgments.
Not
only
because<br>> > of
becoming
criminals
shouldn't
be
found
acceptable
-as
I
said
in
my
former
mail,
not
only
using
but
even
just<br>> > having DRM-circumventing
tools
is
considered
a
crime
against
common
law-,
but
if
people
find
themselves<br>> > comfortable
with that
idea
of
"no
problem
if
X
law/court
judgment
does
not
allow
me
to
do
Y,
I'll
circumvent
the<br>> > prohibition",
I
think
they won't
probably
be
worried
anymore
about
the
true
problem:
the
very
existence
of
that
law<br>> > or
the
reasons
for
that
judge to
release
that
judgment.<br>> 1.
Code
is
law.
As
a
party
we
should
write
and
promote
laws
(traditional
ones and
code)<br><br>Of course that we, PPI, if we reach European Parliament, are going to propose reviewing EU directives. And each pirate party will do -I suppose; we in PIRATA are going to do it even though not going to reach parliament, as I commented in Berlin, through popular initiative and citizens' signatures- the same with their national laws if national parliaments are reached.<br><br>> 2.
_Certain
aspects_
of
the
freedom
of
information
are
implicit
laws
of computer
spaces
almost
as
unavoidable
as<br>> gravity
is
in
the
physical
world. Showing
this
nature
of
information
space
is
one
of
the
best
advertisings
for our
party<br><br>I didn't understand that statement at all; I mean, I didn't get the point -maybe due to my poor english level :)-.<br><br>> 3.
Civil
disobediance
is
and
will
be
an
important
part
of
the
"pirate community"
(not
identical
to
pirate
parties)
as
well<br>> as
modern
citizenship
in the
current
surveillance
society<br><br>I hope you are not mistaking what I expressed in my former mail: at least in Spain -it seems (from Ole, Ricardo, Amelia and other's mails) that it's not just an spanish local issue- when we in PIRATA explain people the dangers of these laws/judgments, <span style="font-weight: bold;">some people answer us</span> "<span style="font-style: italic;">indeed, <span style="font-weight: bold;">you're right,</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">but who cares</span>? while I can find CDs without levies/ways to circumvent DRM/ways to access Pirate Bay/etc, it's not my problem anymore</span>". So they are not making civil disobedience -as a mean for achieving a goal (changing the law)-, but just trying to avoid law enforcement while such laws consolidate.<br><br>As I said maybe my english is not quite good, Jan; I hope now I finally have been able to make myself understood :) Regards and good luck in your national board
meeting<br><br><br> Carlos
Ayala<br> ( Aiarakoa )<br><br> Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<br></div></div><br>
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